Euro Cult Movie Forum => Spaghetti Westerns => Topic started by: IL COMMISSARIO on 06 Jul 2007 - 22:34

Title: God Forgives...I Don't / Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 06 Jul 2007 - 22:34
GOD FORGIVES, I DON’T- 1967-Guiseppi Collizi’s first western was a huge hit in Italy and starred Terence Hill and Bud Spencer together for the first time playing it straight save for a couple of scenes. Here, they lay the blueprint for the TRINITY films and their numerous numbskull comedies to follow. Frank Wolff is noteworthy as the maniacal Bill San Antonio. Quite a bit of violence and shortly thereafter, Hill would forsake violent movies forever focusing his career doing family friendly movies. Unlike Spencer however, Hill could carry a movie on his own. Followed by two lesser sequels.

Now, after numerous bootlegs and fullscreen releases...

http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/forgives-dont-16x9-region-release-p-12226.html
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: The Hunchback on 07 Jul 2007 - 00:45
Ordered the new widescreen dvd already.

This is playing right now on the encore westerns channel.


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Post by: Paul on 07 Jul 2007 - 07:58
I'm going to have to order one of these. Am I right in thinking that this is part of the series that also includes BOOT HILL and ACE HIGH?
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: The Hunchback on 07 Jul 2007 - 08:17
I'm going to have to order one of these. Am I right in thinking that this is part of the series that also includes BOOT HILL and ACE HIGH?

yes, you are correct.

This movie is the first of the trilogy.

Unlike, other so called "trilogies" of the genre, this actually has a bit of continuity to it. Not that you have to see the three films in any particular order, but it is clear that the two protagonists (Hill and Spencer) are the same characters throughout the series.

Unfortunatly this is not a very good series.

I haven't seen the first, but I will soon. I'll come back to give input.

The second installment is considered "the best" of the Cat Steven's trilogy.
However it suffers from major pacing problems, especially during the final 30 minutes.

Boot Hill, the third and final installment, is not only the worst of the series but one of the worst spaghetti westerns ever.
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 07 Jul 2007 - 11:06
A few fans consider the second film the best because Eli Wallach is in it. The first has my vote and apparently everyone in Italy thought so too.
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Post by: Paul on 07 Jul 2007 - 11:50
I only have ACE HIGH - I'm going to hunt the other two down. Thanks guys.
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Post by: LANZETTA on 07 Jul 2007 - 14:43
I have all three in the Colizzi trilogy and all three suffer from pacing problems. I have a bad widescreen bootleg print of GOD FORGIVES,I DON'T which maybe taints my judgement because i find it too damn dull and slow,but Frank Wolff is a definite plus here with his Indio(from FAFDM) inspired psychopathic character.But sadly it lacks the humour of ACE HIGH to which Eli Wallach contributes hugely and theres also a great improvement in the chemistry between Hill and Spencer.

BOOT HILL however is best not mentioned. ;D
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: The Hunchback on 07 Jul 2007 - 20:51


BOOT HILL however is best not mentioned. ;D


I've actually decided to give it ONE MORE shot. I'll purchase the decent print Wild East put out before I do though.
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 07 Jul 2007 - 21:46
I guess I'm the only one who thinks GOD FORGIVES...isn't dull. However, I do think it's deliberatley paced and the version I got is very bad as well.
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: LANZETTA on 07 Jul 2007 - 21:50
I'm sure i'd like it alot more with a decent widescreen print! :)

This must be the only Hill and Spencer movie where when they fight,Hill gives as good as he gets. ;D
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 07 Jul 2007 - 21:57
They definitely laid the blueprint (subconsciously maybe) for TRINITY.
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: LANZETTA on 07 Jul 2007 - 22:01
Yes,Hill & Spencer really came into their own in Barboni's films,and for Hill the NOBODY films.

I prefer Hill doing comedy best,the exception being VIVA DJANGO.
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 07 Jul 2007 - 22:03
I liked Hill's DJANGO movie but I don't think he fit the character at all. He's too lithe. Maybe after seeing him in so many lighter toned films I guess.
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Post by: The Hunchback on 07 Jul 2007 - 22:04
I guess I'm the only one who thinks GOD FORGIVES...isn't dull. However, I do think it's deliberatley paced and the version I got is very bad as well.


I'll let you know in a few days.
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 07 Jul 2007 - 22:13
No need to let me know. I already know I like it. ;D
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: The Hunchback on 07 Jul 2007 - 22:14
No need to let me know. I already know I like it. ;D

 ;D


I meant if I share your opinion.
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 07 Jul 2007 - 22:18
I know....! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: The Hunchback on 13 Jul 2007 - 01:28
This was damn good. :)

I think this is Frank Wolff's best spaghetti role as the talkative villain.

Had the two other "Cat Stevens" entries been as good as this one, I wouldn't be the only one to consider Giuseppe Colizzi one of the top directors of the genre.

This trilogy is also one of the few of the genre with actual continuity.
In the beginning of ACE HIGH (the sequel to this film) their is a mention of the deceased villain from the first movie and the money aquired from GFID is put into a bank. Making Hill and Spencer the same characters.
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: The Hunchback on 13 Jul 2007 - 02:31
I would be very interested in seeing the "comedy version" cut of this film.
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: LANZETTA on 13 Jul 2007 - 07:52
Think i need to ditch my crappy copy and see that new dvd print. :)

I wasn't aware there was any comedy in the uncut version :-*
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 13 Jul 2007 - 11:33
Never heard of a comedy version but I'm glad that finally I'm not seemingly alone in my enjoyment of this movie.
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: The Hunchback on 13 Jul 2007 - 23:43
Never heard of a comedy version but I'm glad that finally I'm not seemingly alone in my enjoyment of this movie.

There is a cut version out there that is apparently edited into a comedy.

Wonder how they managed to do that in a film where there is virtually no light hearted humor.
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: Magnus Wersen on 12 Sep 2007 - 18:52
Had the two other "Cat Stevens" entries been as good as this one, I wouldn't be the only one to consider Giuseppe Colizzi one of the top directors of the genre.

I thought he was!  :-\ Seriously, I loved God Forgives and had a bloody good time with Ace High. Boot Hill was a bit unfocused but IMO it's still better than most Hill/Spencer collaborations.
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 12 Sep 2007 - 18:56
I would be very interested in seeing the "comedy version" cut of this film.
I always thought that the only "comedy" print was in German, i may be wrong though.
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: The Hunchback on 12 Sep 2007 - 21:08
I would be very interested in seeing the "comedy version" cut of this film.
I always thought that the only "comedy" print was in German, i may be wrong though.



Yes this is true. In fact all three films had their own comedy version.
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: LANZETTA on 16 Sep 2007 - 13:34
I'm going to have to order one of these. Am I right in thinking that this is part of the series that also includes BOOT HILL and ACE HIGH?

yes, you are correct.

This movie is the first of the trilogy.

Unlike, other so called "trilogies" of the genre, this actually has a bit of continuity to it. Not that you have to see the three films in any particular order, but it is clear that the two protagonists (Hill and Spencer) are the same characters throughout the series.

Unfortunatly this is not a very good series.

I haven't seen the first, but I will soon. I'll come back to give input.

The second installment is considered "the best" of the Cat Steven's trilogy.
However it suffers from major pacing problems, especially during the final 30 minutes.

Boot Hill, the third and final installment, is not only the worst of the series but one of the worst spaghetti westerns ever.
This morning,I finally managed to see that decent print of GOD FORGIVES I DON'T and  its a definite improvement. :-X

However any pacing problems  in ACE HIGH are nothing compared to the overall slowness of Colizzi's first film.Its  the much grittier and more violent western and the opening scenes and shoot out finale is the best i've seen from Colizzi.But almost everything else in between whether its Spencer manfully struggling with a casket on his back,extended card games or torture scenes,its all way too much too drawn out ,in some cases to ludicrous proportions.Also as much as i enjoyed Frank Wolff as the gabber mouthed San Antonio evens his ramblings well outstay their welcome in places.

Both myself and the missus feel that ACE HIGH is easily the better movie.It has a much greater scope all round and most tellingly the humour(Wallach pretty much makes this essential)  and i'm sure that Enzo Barboni (director of the Trinity movies)would've seen the comedic potential of Hill and Spencer from this movie rather than its predecessor.

Having quibbled about the slightly boring feel of GOD FORGIVES I DON'T i still enjoyed it but would only really recommend it to Bud 'n' Terence fans because without them i wouldn't enjoy it nearly half as much.

My rating for GOD FORGIVES I DON'T 6 out of 10. :D
           
                         and  for ACE HIGH  8 out of 10. :)
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 16 Sep 2007 - 13:39
"God forgives...I don't" is my favourite out the three, but you can see that "Ace High" has a bigger budget
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Post by: LANZETTA on 16 Sep 2007 - 14:40
but you can see that "Ace High" has a bigger budget
Makes you wonder what happened with the 3rd in the trilogy then,BOOT HILL. ???

Colizzi's contemporary movie with Hill and Spencer,ALL THE WAYS BOYS is another bore festival and i sholud imagine with helicopters and such that this had the biggest budget of all.Can't believe theres only a year between this yawn and the genius of WATCH OUT WE'RE MAD! >:(

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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 16 Sep 2007 - 14:49
Makes you wonder what happened with the 3rd in the trilogy then,BOOT HILL. ???
Definately the poorest out the three, but still a watchable western in my opinion ;D
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Post by: LANZETTA on 16 Sep 2007 - 15:35
Makes you wonder what happened with the 3rd in the trilogy then,BOOT HILL. ???
Definately the poorest out the three, but still a watchable western in my opinion ;D
Thought i was gonna see the Wildeast widescreen version of BOOT HILL recently but i got mis-sold the wrong disc by an independant seller on US Amazon. :-[

My poor pan and scan version is unwatchable. :(
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 16 Sep 2007 - 15:41
Makes you wonder what happened with the 3rd in the trilogy then,BOOT HILL. ???
Definately the poorest out the three, but still a watchable western in my opinion ;D
Thought i was gonna see the Wildeast widescreen version of BOOT HILL recently but i got mis-sold the wrong disc by an independant seller on US Amazon. :-[

My poor pan and scan version is unwatchable. :(
I've got a wild-east edition but apparently the 2-disc Italian one is best, i still need to pick it up.

I'm still going to keep the wild-east edition for the whole set ::)
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 16 Sep 2007 - 17:35
But GOD FORGIVES...is deliberately paced. I think this was to replicate the dragged out scenes in Leone's movies. I rather enjoyed the card playing scene from the beginning. With the camera angles it was quite well shot. The only thing I didn't like about this one is the score as it seemed better suited for a peplum movie.
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: LANZETTA on 17 Sep 2007 - 06:38
I'm not very keen on the musical scores in any of Colizzi's films, he seems to have a thing about circus music. ???

I  noticed the effective use of the Leone-like camera angles throughout and i liked the use of all those fast frames to illustrate the brutal devastation on the train.

But i didn't think Leone particularly dragged out his scenes until after the Dollars trilogy. :-X

Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't/Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 17 Sep 2007 - 06:58
Touche!  :P
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't / Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: fdsmedia on 26 Jan 2009 - 17:22
DFW:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/14mam9.jpg)
Atlantic Film:
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2afzclh.jpg)

DFW:
(http://i40.tinypic.com/n4y684.jpg)
Atlantic Film:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/24xouc9.jpg)

The Scandinavian release has got shorter, letterboxed opening credits and afterwards becomes fullscreen...

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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 26 Jan 2009 - 19:28
Touche!  :P
(http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/spara73/ToucheTurtle.jpg)
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 26 Jan 2009 - 20:38
Touche!  :P
(http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/spara73/ToucheTurtle.jpg)

Ditto!
Title: Re: God Forgives...I Don't / Dio perdona... io no! (Guiseppi Colizzi, 1967)
Post by: Gary B. on 20 Feb 2009 - 02:54
Unlike Spencer however, Hill could carry a movie on his own.
I don't know man, the Piedone series and Banana Joe were all pretty good in my eyes...
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Post by: Fabio on 19 Apr 2009 - 06:48
I came nito this one mostly because I'm a completist. The plot didn't interest me but everyone seems to like it. And...........I am now one of them. I viewed it on a piece o' shit DVD. televista or something. (This terrible quality usually ruins the movies for me). I enjoyed it anyway. Loved the unique atmosphere and such.