Euro Cult Movie Forum => Exploitation, Sexploitation, War & Espionage, Dodgy Rip-Offs => Topic started by: fdsmedia on 14 Jan 2008 - 18:27

Title: Venus in Furs / Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 14 Jan 2008 - 18:27
I just received the Italian DVD, maybe we could compare length and image quality if someone has got the Shameless DVD and can post some screens?
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 14 Jan 2008 - 18:35
Paul has the Shameless DVD, not sure if he knows how to do screen caps though...
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 14 Jan 2008 - 18:50
The feature on the Italian DVD is 80 min and 33 s excluding the Surf Films intro.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: MarcMorris on 14 Jan 2008 - 20:06
The cut Redemption VHS was 81m 2s.

Venus in Furs (Redemption) (http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/0/9D98F8E04EE99478802566C00031043A?OpenDocument)


Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 14 Jan 2008 - 20:19
Bugger, the Italian DVD seems to contain a 1975 re-edit of the film. Anyone know what's different?
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: MarcMorris on 14 Jan 2008 - 21:21
I know the English and German version s had different endings.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 15 Jan 2008 - 03:50
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Bugger, the Italian DVD seems to contain a 1975 re-edit of the film. Anyone know what's different?

I've only seen the English version (a DVDR of the fullscreen Japanese disc) but the original Italian version should be titled MALAZIE DE VENERE (the title of the soundtrack album) - there's a really expensive Italian tape under that title on eBay.

I thought someone on another board mentioned Arthaus/Kinowelt preparing a version.

Is the Italian disc 16:9?
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: JoseADiego on 15 Jan 2008 - 10:39


Spanish edition.......84 m


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Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 15 Jan 2008 - 11:08
Is the Italian disc 16:9?
Yes, it is.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 15 Jan 2008 - 12:01
Here's my review of the new Shameless disc:

Adapted from the novel by Leopold Von Sacher-Masoch, VENUS IN FURS is the story of a couple and the lengths in which they're prepared to sustain an increasingly dangerous, sadomasochistic relationship...

Severin (Regis Vallee) is a man afflicted with a deeply-rooted fetish; he's a peeping tom and has become increasingly obsessed with Wanda (Laura Antonelli): a sexually promiscuous woman whose casual sexual encounters he spies through a wall. Wanda epitomises Regis' ultimate fantasy; a dominating, sexually liberated woman in fur, and would appear to share more than a passing resemblance to a woman who he was caught spying on as a child: a woman who—within a space of one night--awoke oedipal stirrings and savagely humiliated him.

Severin and Wanda strike up what would at first appear to be an unlikely relationship and it's not long before the couple are acting-out Severin's deepest and darkest desires. Wanda agrees to marry the wealthy Severin and that she will continue to seek out sex with other men under the condition that her husband-to-be is allowed to watch. Although it pains Severin to see Wanda with other men, he has become addicted to the humiliation and before long this very unconventional union begins to spiral out of control...

VENUS IN FURS is a wicked slice of classic Euro sleaze, featuring oodles of the lovely Laura's naked flesh, tremendous use of fabulous Spanish locations and a typically infectious Gianfranco Reverberi score. While at times some of the couple's antics inspire guffaws, the characterisations are also though-provoking, with Antonelli and Vallee comfortably occupying their roles. Whether Roman Polanski has seen Dallamano's film or read the Sacher-Masoch novel, it's obvious that he (or novelist Pascal Bruckner, for that matter) is familiar with this material, as there's more than an echo of VENUS IN FURS in his 1992 film, BITTER MOON.

Shameless' disc clocks in at 82:06, suffering some cuts by the BBFC: the scene in question is that of a sexual assault culminating in the depiction of the victim enjoying her experience. Kudos to Shameless, as they've edited the film in a way that does not jar as the scene simply fades to black--and speaking as someone that's not seen the film before--the cuts don't seem to detract from the enjoyment of the film at all. Shameless' disc is presented in anamorphic 2.35:1 and looks very good when you consider the age and obscurity of the film itself. Colours are reproduced well for the most part and there's little in the way of print damage. The sound is presented in Dolby Digital 2.0 and is well balanced and serves the English language dialogue and score well.

Having seen some of director Dallamano's other films (namely SOLANGE and WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO YOUR DAUGHTERS?), I wasn't quite sure to expect from VENUS IN FURS and although it didn't strike the same chord as DAUGHTERS—which is one of my all time favourite gialli—it certainly left a lasting impression.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 15 Jan 2008 - 12:17
Cool review Paul. I've never seen it and it sounds pretty good.

This'll be the film that The Velvet Underground based their song on then? "Shiny, shiny, Shiny boots of leather..."

Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 15 Jan 2008 - 12:43
Let's hope that Severin (Films) will do a release with both versions.  :D
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 15 Jan 2008 - 12:47
Cool review Paul. I've never seen it and it sounds pretty good.

This'll be the film that The Velvet Underground based their song on then? "Shiny, shiny, Shiny boots of leather..."



Thanks, mate - I really enjoyed it and glad I took the trouble of watching it last night.

Not to sure about the Velvet Underground connection, though I do know the song you mention...
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 15 Jan 2008 - 12:56
The song's called 'Venus in Furs'  :D

Here's the lyrics...

Shiny, shiny, shiny boots of leather
Whiplash girlchild in the dark
Clubs and bells, your servant, dont forsake him
Strike, dear mistress, and cure his heart

Downy sins of streetlight fancies
Chase the costumes she shall wear
Ermine furs adorn the imperious
Severin, severin awaits you there

I am tired, I am weary
I could sleep for a thousand years
A thousand dreams that would awake me
Different colors made of tears

Kiss the boot of shiny, shiny leather
Shiny leather in the dark
Tongue of thongs, the belt that does await you
Strike, dear mistress, and cure his heart

Severin, Severin, speak so slightly
Severin, down on your bended knee
Taste the whip, in love not given lightly
Taste the whip, now plead for me

I am tired, I am weary
I could sleep for a thousand years
A thousand dreams that would awake me
Different colors made of tears

Shiny, shiny, shiny boots of leather
Whiplash girlchild in the dark
Severin, your servant comes in bells, please dont forsake him
Strike, dear mistress, and cure his heart
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 15 Jan 2008 - 12:59
I think they based the song on the novel by Leopold von Sacher-Masoch.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 15 Jan 2008 - 13:05
I think they based the song on the novel by Leopold von Sacher-Masoch.

I'd say you were definitely right there Magnus! I just looked it up and the LP that Venus in Furs appears on, The Velvet Underground and Nico, came out in 1967. Two years before the film.  :'(
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: death_proof_reg on 16 Jan 2008 - 17:10
I came here to ask the same question, nice. Also this film looks like such a mind fuck.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Almar@Shameless on 16 Jan 2008 - 20:13
That it is but for S&M fun done in ultimate style with humour, verve and lashings of darkness our upcoming Frightened Woman is something else. It reminds me of Barbarella but with the addition of what was missing from that film... S&M and nudity!
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 16 Jan 2008 - 20:32
How has THE FRIGHTENED WOMAN faired with the BBFC?  I recall the Redemption (or Salvation) cassette was cut.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: death_proof_reg on 16 Jan 2008 - 20:38
I need to top up on all these new shameless titles, TORSO, BLACK CAT, VENUS IN FURS (these i dont have) next payday. Double or triple feature veiwing is needed. As for this new film, Almar you put them out i'll buy.

Now let me rant for a bit.

FUCK THE BBFC THOSE FUCKING CUNTS I'M SICK OF THEM TELLING ME WHAT I CAN AND CANT SEE. I JUST SAW CHARLIE WILSONS WAR AND ITS A 15, IT HAS SEX REFERENCES AND BAD LANGUAGE, AND ITS ABOUT WAR, OH AND DRUG REFERENCES, OK SO A 15 RATING IS GOOD I AGREE. RESCUE DAWN, THIS FILM WAS A 12 AND (SPOILERS AHEAD DONT READ) SHOWS A BEHEADING... WHATS UP WITH THAT? (HERZOG IS A LEDGEND BY THE WAY) YET A 18 RATED FILM INVOLVING SEX, SHOWS RAPE AND THEY DONT ALLOW IT? WELL HERE'S THE THING, ANYONE CAN PICTURE WHAT RAPE IS LIKE IN THERE HEAD, THEY CAN SEE A WOMEN SMILING DURING IT, IT BECOMES NORMAL SEX, SO FUCK IF SHE STARTED TO ENJOY IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE SHE WAS A HORNY BITCH ANYWAY FROM THE TYPE OF FILM THIS IS, WOULD THEY CUT A 12 RATED FILM OF A BEHEADING IF THE PERSON BEING MURDERED WANTED IT?

IT WONT RUIN MY ENJOYMENT OF THE FILM, LIKE I SAID WE CAN ALL USE OUR IMAGINATION TO SEE HER ENJOYING IT, AND IF WE DONT, WHO CARES, ITS JUST THE FACT THAT SOME TWAT SITS THERE AND GOES "THIS WOMAN IS SMILING, SHE IS BEING RAPED, WE CANNOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO SEE THIS BECAUSE PEOPLE BEING RAPED MIGHT SEE THIS AND START TO ENJOY IT AND EVERYONE WILL RAPE EVERYBODY ELSE" WHICH IS BULLSHIT.

THEY MADE THIS IS ENGLAND AN 18 BECAUSE IT HAD RACIST COMMENTS IN IT DIDNT THEY, YET IT HAD A STRONG GOOD MESSAGE TO 15 YR OLDS, YET THEY GAVE KIDULTHOOD A 15 WHEN IT JUST GLORIFIED VIOLENCE AND HOW SOME 15 YR OLDS LIVE.

BASICALLY I JUST THINK THEY SUCK, THERE'S WORSE THINGS THAN A RAPE VICTIM ENJOYING HERSELF (JUST SHOWS THE KIND OF PERSON SHE IS, OR HEY, MAYBE ITS NATURAL IN SOME CASES, LEAST ITS HONEST) LIKE WARS AND PEOPLE DYING YET THEY SEE IT FIT TO PULL THIS BULLSHIT? OK "WARS HAPPEN, ITS EDUCATIONAL" SO THEN WHY CANT RAPE BE YOU FUCKING ASS CLENCH.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 16 Jan 2008 - 21:49
Reg, calm down mate. No need for all the SHOUTING, neither...

We really don't have much to complain about these days, mate - hardly anything is cut compared to the days in which the BBFC was run by James Ferman. At least--in most cases--we have the choice of buying something cut or importing an uncut version.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 16 Jan 2008 - 21:58
Reg, calm down mate. No need for all the SHOUTING, neither...

Must've just taken his meds and they hadn't kicked in when he was typing that. He's more than likely nodding off in a subway trying to sell copies of 'The Big Issue' now...
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 16 Jan 2008 - 22:05
He's more than likely nodding off in a subway trying to sell copies of 'The Big Issue' now...
Had to laugh at that ::)
Reg it's all lot easier now,back in the 90's it was a totally different matter trying to see these films uncut.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 17 Jan 2008 - 00:02
He's more than likely nodding off in a subway trying to sell copies of 'The Big Issue' now...
Had to laugh at that ::)
Reg it's all lot easier now,back in the 90's it was a totally different matter trying to see these films uncut.
He's right Reg. we had to wait for filmfairs or classifieds in magazines to try and get our stuff back in the day, often at very high prices just because something was uncut.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 17 Jan 2008 - 08:35
...and if you tried to order uncut tapes from abroad, you ran the risk of getting them confiscated by Customs, as Tanzi did. Things are so much better these days.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: death_proof_reg on 17 Jan 2008 - 12:37
I hear ya, I just think its a little inconveniant and nonsensical.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 17 Jan 2008 - 13:03
I hear ya, I just think its a little inconveniant and nonsensical.

...but nowhere near as inconvenient and nonsensical as it once was, mate. We've really come a very long way.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Andrew Monroe on 17 Jan 2008 - 16:40
I`m expecting the Shameless disc in the mail tomorrow or Saturday. Despite the cuts I was too curious about this film to pass it up, and from Paul`s (excellent btw) review it sounds like it`s still worth picking up. Dallamano really strikes a chord with me, I`d rate Solange and Daughters among my very favorite gialli and his lone spaghetti western, Bandidos, is equally top-notch.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 17 Jan 2008 - 16:55
...and if you tried to order uncut tapes from abroad, you ran the risk of getting them confiscated by Customs, as Tanzi did. Things are so much better these days.

and don't forget, I got arrested!

Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 17 Jan 2008 - 17:58
...and if you tried to order uncut tapes from abroad, you ran the risk of getting them confiscated by Customs, as Tanzi did. Things are so much better these days.

and don't forget, I got arrested!



Did I know that, already? Have you mentioned that on here before, mate? I honestly can't remember.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Almar@Shameless on 17 Jan 2008 - 20:16
I`m expecting the Shameless disc in the mail tomorrow or Saturday. Despite the cuts I was too curious about this film to pass it up, and from Paul`s (excellent btw) review it sounds like it`s still worth picking up. Dallamano really strikes a chord with me, I`d rate Solange and Daughters among my very favorite gialli and his lone spaghetti western, Bandidos, is equally top-notch.

Well I'd be interested to hear your opinion when you see it. Don't know yet about Femina and the BBFC...

All true that life these days is very different regarding cuts and the BBFC - the 90s were a difficult and often depressing time to collect horror but I have to admit at being quite astonished to find ancient old films getting cut these days when there are some seriously violent films getting 12s and 15s - but then they're mainstream big movies...

Anyway Night Train Murders and Flavia getting through uncut have cheered us up a lot for 2008!
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: mook on 17 Jan 2008 - 21:03
The BBFC have relaxed a bit now, and that is nice, and so is the fact that if you can't get a DVD you want in the UK you can import it. But that takes some of the fun out of it. I used to enjoy tracking down banned and obscure stuff - eg I went to Athens and didn't see the Colliseum or whatever it's called - I was in and out of the video shops there. Same thing in Amsterdam, only I did see the whores too. Didn't pay for any though - my budget was spent on top films!
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Ben Cobb on 18 Jan 2008 - 00:07
My Film4 review: http://www.channel4.com/film/reviews/film.jsp?id=164296 (http://www.channel4.com/film/reviews/film.jsp?id=164296)
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Andrew Monroe on 21 Jan 2008 - 20:01

Well I'd be interested to hear your opinion when you see it. Don't know yet about Femina and the BBFC...

Not the biggest erotic/softcore film fan so it was quite a surprise to me that this film was so much more emotionally involving than the typical skin and sleaze picture. Like the other Dallamano films I`ve seen it`s gorgeously photographed...in fact I could sit and watch the film with just the amazing Gian Franco Reverberi score playing. Early in the film both Severin and Wanda give voice to their beliefs on love and relationships so the unfolding situation is set-up nicely. One sequence really made me think of Jess Franco`s own Venus In Furs - when Severin finds the prostitute that, for obvious reasons, so resembles Wanda. Anyway, ultimately it`s a fascinating, twisted love story...right down to the strangely haunting ending. As Paul mentioned in his review the cuts are handled well and I didn`t feel like it fatally hurt the film.

I`ve got a couple tunes from this on two of the Easy Tempo series (Volumes 7 and 8 ), but holy crap, I gotta track down that soundtrack. Beat released it on a disc with two other films - 28 Minuti per 3 Milioni di Dollari (Savina) and Hypnos - Follia di un Massacro (Umiliani).




Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 21 Jan 2008 - 20:18
I have got that Beat CD - completely forgot about it - thanks for reminding me!  :-\
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Andrew Monroe on 21 Jan 2008 - 22:24
I have got that Beat CD - completely forgot about it - thanks for reminding me!  :-\

I was a bit worried that it might be tough to find, as Amazon here in the states was out but Movie Grooves has it (low in stock though if anyone else wants it).  :P

I`m sold on The Frightened Woman after seeing the clip on this disc.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Bogan The Wanderer on 23 Jan 2008 - 19:29
If the BBFC have calmed down enough to let FLAVIA and NIGHT TRAIN MURDERS through this time, I'd be a bit surprised if they found something to get upset about in FEMINA RIDENS.  Video Watchdog #49 mentions the cut made to the old UK Jezebel tape:

"..For some reason beyond our powers of reasoning, two shots of the amazing "vagina dentata" set have been detoothed, depriving them of their metaphoric power and making the ejected skeleton more suggestive of abortion than cannibalism."

  In the movie there's evidently a weird sequence where someone walks through a giant sculpted doorway of a woman's privates (with teeth), which then spits out a fake skeleton.  This hardly sounds like THE NEW YORK RIPPER.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: MarcMorris on 24 Jan 2008 - 13:13
Those scenes were not cut by the BBFC - they simply were not present in the master supplied to Redemption from Italy.

The BBFC cut scenes involved some glimpsed S&M photos.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: sadistik1 on 28 Jan 2008 - 14:51
Jess Franco's Black Angel, a rip off of the Cornell Woolrich novel, was retitled Venus In Furs by it's producers specifically to piss off the producers of the Dallamano film. Franco moans about this in many interviews.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs/Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 19 Apr 2008 - 01:53
My review: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews37/venus_in_furs.htm (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews37/venus_in_furs.htm)
Title: Re: Venus in Furs / Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Ben Cobb on 30 Aug 2011 - 19:43
Anyone have this release? Be interested to hear how it rates against the Shameless disc... seem to remember that was slightly trimmed?
http://www.kultvideo.com//articles/ArticleSheet.aspx?aid=11115 (http://www.kultvideo.com//articles/ArticleSheet.aspx?aid=11115)
Title: Re: Venus in Furs / Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 30 Aug 2011 - 19:48
Yes the shameless disc was cut about 1 minute I think... it would be interesting to know if both versions are uncut and have got English audio, since the previous Italian DVD had only Italian language options and the Venere in pelliccia cut of the film.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs / Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 30 Aug 2011 - 20:59
Isn't the Japanese DVD uncut?
Title: Re: Venus in Furs / Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 30 Aug 2011 - 21:28
Well, sort of... it's full screen and contains some blurring of genitals...  :-X
Title: Re: Venus in Furs / Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 31 Aug 2011 - 01:30
Video Ciak says that it only has English on the 1968 version.
Title: Re: Venus in Furs / Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: paperbag on 03 Sep 2011 - 04:40
Yes the shameless disc was cut about 1 minute I think...

They put the cut footage up on their website a couple of years ago, seems to be gone now...
Title: Re: Venus in Furs / Le malizie di Venere (Massimo Dallamano, 1969)
Post by: Strigoyu on 27 Sep 2011 - 17:46
Hi, mates! My name is José Antonio and I am Spanish. I am a great "Giallo"/"Poliziesco" films fan but I'm not new to this forum, since I have been reading you all for a long long time... Anyway, I've got a serious doubt: Does anybody know if the Italian DVD release of this film is uncut? I've got the Shameless UK release but, unfortunately, I have read that this one is missing some 30 seconds of the film... Can anyone please make things clear to me, please? Regards and hugs!!!


José Antonio