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Title: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: The Hunchback on 07 Jul 2007 - 09:01
"Il tuo vizio è una stanza chiusa e solo io ne ho la chiave"
directed by Sergio Martino

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt00 69421/

The title has little to do with the plot, in fact it is a re-telling of Edgar Allan Poe's short story "The Black Cat" with a Giallo touch (gore, lesbian sex, nudity,suspense, traveling).

Luigi Pistilli stars as an abusive and psychotic husband constantly tormenting his wife and having incestous thoughts of his dead mother. A lover of Pistilli's is brutally murdered and the authorities want to pin the homicide on him, things get interesting when his neice (played by Edwige Fenech) comes to visit and the bodies begin to pile up in Pistilli's own household!!! The totally innocent (as far as the murders go) Pistilli must now hide the bodies in a wall in his wine cellar.

Not at all impressive but entertaining Giallo flick.

Sergio Martino often complained that he stood in the shadow of Dario Argento when it came to Giallo, I can see why this is. Martino's Giallo's are not as fun or inventive as Argento's.


A fun film for the month of october, next I'll be watching Emilio Miraglia's "The red queen kills seven times" (La dama rossa uccide sette volte) and I'll report back on it. In the mean time discuss this one if you have seen it.

Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Paul on 07 Jul 2007 - 09:07
I think this is a great film, though I find it troubling when it's referred to as a giallo. I think it's easy to pigeon-whole this flick into the giallo category, as it was directed by Martino, but I think it has more in common with the likes of PERFUME OF THE LADY IN BLACK, Lamberto Bava's MACABRE and Elio Petri's sublime A QUIET PLACE IN THE COUNTRY. These are slow-paced character studies that probably owe as much to Polanski as they do Bava and Argento.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: dracucarr on 12 Jul 2007 - 13:43
Sergio Martino often complained that he stood in the shadow of Dario Argento when it came to Giallo, I can see why this is. Martino's Giallo's are not as fun or inventive as Argento's.

I disagree as I have enjoyed many of Martino's films more than some of Argento's. For me when I think of giallo Martino is a huge part of it. As a Fenech fan my main disappointment was her lack of screen time. However, from the film's point of view it is perfectly fine and it has a great lesbo scene  ::). It is a slow film, but one I really enjoy. Not everything needs to be "Bang! Bang! Boom" all the time and this was a nice change of pace. I love the ending to this aswell.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: death_proof_reg on 12 Jul 2007 - 16:03
I really liked this film, looking forward to a re-watch soon.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Richard C on 13 Jul 2007 - 14:48
I really liked this film, looking forward to a re-watch soon.
Same here. I enjoyed the film but because I'm playing catch-up with the entire Euro Cult genre I've only seen it the once but it is one title that I will go back to some time down the road (probably when I'm flat broke and can't afford to buy discs anymore  :D )
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: CJ on 14 Jul 2007 - 12:47
I need to give this another watch - but I thoroughly enjoyed it first time round. I think Martino is a fine director with a unique style and I've enjoyed everything of his I've seen so far. Yes, even Big Alligator River!
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Paul on 15 Jul 2007 - 08:49
I need to give this another watch - but I thoroughly enjoyed it first time round. I think Martino is a fine director with a unique style and I've enjoyed everything of his I've seen so far. Yes, even Big Alligator River!

I ,iked this film, too and yet another of MArtino's films that transcends the 'giallio' tag. Welcome to the forum, CJ!
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: CJ on 15 Jul 2007 - 16:04
Thanks for the welcome, Comp.  :-\

I think DVD has been great for people like Martino, because it has allowed his work to be re-appraised and to stand in their own right. Martino et al are often overlooked because so much attention is given to Argento and Fulci - and it's only right that those that have so often been in the shadows of this mighty pair should finally be given the praise they deserve.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Fray G on 15 Jul 2007 - 19:15
I saw this on the big screen last year (just a dvd screening not a film print) and really enjoyed it. It went down well with the decent sized crowd which I was delighted to see had quite a few women and couples in it. Since then I've bought the dvd and can honestly say I think it's the best Martino film i've seen. Even better than Wardh and Torso.

I'd urge anyone who has'nt got the disc yet to buy it up cos it's becoming scarcer, I had two Amazon marketplace orders for it cancelled before getting it from a uk based supplier.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Jonny on 15 Jul 2007 - 19:59
I'd urge anyone who has'nt got the disc yet to buy it up cos it's becoming scarcer, I had two Amazon marketplace orders for it cancelled before getting it from a uk based supplier.

I'll second that, I've had this on order from DVDPacific for about 6 months now for a friend and it's not looking likely that I'll get it... eBay has a few though... Looks like NoShame have most definately closed down their business in the US for the foreseeable future...

Great film btw, I love Edwige with her short pixie bob hairstyle in this, so sexy...  8)
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 15 Jul 2007 - 21:41
I'd urge anyone who has'nt got the disc yet to buy it up cos it's becoming scarcer, I had two Amazon marketplace orders for it cancelled before getting it from a uk based supplier.

I'll second that, I've had this on order from DVDPacific for about 6 months now for a friend and it's not looking likely that I'll get it... eBay has a few though... Looks like NoShame have most definately closed down their business in the US for the foreseeable future...
Kinda glad i got most of their stuff now,just need Emergency Squad as an upgrade from my Italian disc.
Saying that Marc posted something in his own forum a month or so ago saying that NoShame were due to release Argento's Doors into Darkness in the US with English subs at some point,anyone heard this?
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Fray G on 15 Jul 2007 - 21:42
Yeah, I bought this at DVDlimited, paid a bit more for it but at least I knew i'd get it quickly. I got in a bit of a mild panic about all the Noshame stuff disappearing from DVDpacific and other sellers and bought a whole bunch of stuff i hadnt caught up with yet. I'd have been pretty sick if when going to get Colt 38 squad and Emergency squad finding they'd all gone. Now the only ones i don't have are stuff i'm not too fussed about.

And yes, Edwige is well cute in this film.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: The Hunchback on 17 Jul 2007 - 06:17
I saw this on the big screen last year (just a dvd screening not a film print) and really enjoyed it.

By any chance was this the screening at the Miami Beach cinematech?

I was their also.

I hosted their spaghetti western month in august 2006.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Fray G on 17 Jul 2007 - 20:36
I saw this on the big screen last year (just a dvd screening not a film print) and really enjoyed it.

By any chance was this the screening at the Miami Beach cinematech?

I was their also.


I hosted their spaghetti western month in august 2006.

I WISH!

No unfortunately it was in the chillier climes of Edinburgh, the Filmhouse to be specific. It was a short season of about 6 or so italian films shown every thursday. I went to see DVD screenings of this and Milano Calibro 9, and film print showings of Suspiria and Danger:Diabolik. I think the others were Django and Flesh for Frankenstein, could'nt make it to those. I hope the guys who put these on do it again this year, I believe they did it the year before too.

Around the same time I saw the Crazies and the Cabinet of Dr. Caligari there too.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: The Hunchback on 17 Jul 2007 - 22:53
I saw this on the big screen last year (just a dvd screening not a film print) and really enjoyed it.

By any chance was this the screening at the Miami Beach cinematech?

I was their also.


I hosted their spaghetti western month in august 2006.



Around the same time I saw the Crazies and the Cabinet of Dr. Caligari there too.


Two very dull films if you ask me.

I think you were better off in Edinburgh anyway, in august Miami is an awful place to be in.
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Post by: death_proof_reg on 18 Jul 2007 - 18:44
I remember instead of going to those edinburgh showins i decided just to buy all the DVD's. This being one of them.

Watched it again last night, the ending was still as tense as ever.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 30 Jul 2007 - 21:49
I ordered this from amazon. I heard that somebody here got several orders cancelled. There are other sellers for this title. SHould I cancel the amazon order and buy it from one of the other sellers?
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Post by: Jonny on 31 Jul 2007 - 09:18
I ordered this from amazon. I heard that somebody here got several orders cancelled. There are other sellers for this title. SHould I cancel the amazon order and buy it from one of the other sellers?

I've had this on back order with DVD Pacific for nearly 6 months!! If you can, I'd cancel with Amazon and get it from one of the Marketplace sellers.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Paul on 31 Jul 2007 - 10:31
I've heard that suppliers are having trouble sourcing re-orders on the NoShame US titles. If you're missing any, get them quickly, as they're going to be quite valuable, I reckon.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: death_proof_reg on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:11
Thats a real shame, those disks are so reliable, I always look for noshame titles aswell as blue underground etc. They'll still be bringing out new films though yeah?

damn and blast.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Jonny on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:16
They'll still be bringing out new films though yeah?

NoShame are still releasing new DVD's in Italy. Nothing on the horizon as far as releases in the US though.
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:18
I guess I'll cancel the Amazon order and go with one of the other sellers.
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Post by: Jonny on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:22
I guess I'll cancel the Amazon order and go with one of the other sellers.

Good call, and do it asap. I can see the eBayers and Amazon Marketplace vendors putting up their prices for all NoShame US titles real soon. Grab 'em cheap while you can!
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:24
I just ordered it from a seller in SC. I didn't cancel the amazon one yet. I guess if they send it to me I'll have two, then.
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Post by: death_proof_reg on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:28
yeah one to keep and one to sell, nice move  :D
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:29
I'm not greedy so if I did get another one I'd sell it for what I paid for it.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: death_proof_reg on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:30
someone tell me a noshame dvd to get, anything.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:32
How about that bombastic release of Mario Baino's DARK WATERS? A three disc set with a medallion in the box.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: death_proof_reg on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:36
I really really want after looking it up, never heard of the director but hp lovecraft and dario argento were mentioned, thats enough for me! too bladdy pricey though  ???
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Post by: Jonny on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:40
someone tell me a noshame dvd to get, anything.


Here's the full NoShame catalogue... Their Gialli's are all must buys as far as I'm concerned...

NoShame Catalogue HERE (http://www.noshamefilms.com/catalogue/)
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Post by: Fray G on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:41
Definately a good call getting this ASAP, the Amazon.uk market sellers I always import from don't have it any more leaving just the more expensive sellers. The last time I checked dvdpacific there was no Martino gialli there at all or Almost Human. That was about a month ago. Plenty of stuff like Desert of the Tartars, etc. But the trashier end of Noshame seems to be thinning out.
By the way, i've got Tartars. It's one of the most cinematically impressive movies i've ever seen, as funds allow I intend on getting all these Noshame titles too. Eventually.

edit. As above i'd recommend Desert of the Tartars. It's not an action film. I believe the word for it is existentialist.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Dorado on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:41
someone tell me a noshame dvd to get, anything.

Or maby “The Emilio Miraglia Killer Queen Box Set”
I don’t have it myself, but I’m curious because a figurine of the Red Queen from the film should be included in the box set  ;D
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:42
someone tell me a noshame dvd to get, anything.

Or maby “The Emilio Miraglia Killer Queen Box Set”
I don’t have it myself, but I’m curious because a figurine of the Red Queen from the film should be included in the box set  ;D

Essential ,as is the Luciano Ercoli boxset.
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Post by: Fray G on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:44
The Killer Queen set rules. I like both the movies. I must say though, the figure is pretty gash. It looks like it was sculpted by Joey Deacon......and it smells.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Jonny on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:49
The Killer Queen set rules. I like both the movies. I must say though, the figure is pretty gash. It looks like it was sculpted by Joey Deacon......and it smells.

I'd say home in on buying the 'Killer Queen' box and the 'Ercoli' set asap if you haven't already got them.

Fray, you're dead right about that Red Queen figure it's rubbish! But really cool to have all the same!
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Post by: Fray G on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:57
The Killer Queen set rules. I like both the movies. I must say though, the figure is pretty gash. It looks like it was sculpted by Joey Deacon......and it smells.

I'd say home in on buying the 'Killer Queen' box and the 'Ercoli' set asap if you haven't already got them.

Fray, you're dead right about that Red Queen figure it's rubbish! But really cool to have all the same!

Damn Straight!!!
But how cool would a Luciano Rossi Death Walks At Midnight figure have been ::)
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Dorado on 31 Jul 2007 - 21:57
The Killer Queen set rules. I like both the movies. I must say though, the figure is pretty gash. It looks like it was sculpted by Joey Deacon......and it smells.

I'd say home in on buying the 'Killer Queen' box and the 'Ercoli' set asap if you haven't already got them.

Fray, you're dead right about that Red Queen figure it's rubbish! But really cool to have all the same!

I just ordered both sets, I paid £23.21 in all.
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Post by: Jonny on 31 Jul 2007 - 22:00
I just ordered both sets, I paid £23.21 in all.

Bargain! You'll not be disappointed at all at that price mate.
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Post by: Stephen Grimes on 31 Jul 2007 - 22:01
The Ercoli boxset has a bonus cd of Stelvio Cipriani's music from various films like Killer Cop,What have they done to your Daughters,Cursed Medallion etc which is fantastic,highly recommended.
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Post by: Dorado on 31 Jul 2007 - 22:05
I just ordered both sets, I paid £23.21 in all.

Bargain! You'll not be disappointed at all at that price mate.

Thanks mate, and they still have a few of them left at amazon.uk at £11.50 a piece.
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Post by: Fray G on 31 Jul 2007 - 22:21
The Ercoli boxset has a bonus cd of Stelvio Cipriani's music from various films like Killer Cop,What have they done to your Daughters,Cursed Medallion etc which is fantastic,highly recommended.

I was watching Daughters again on Sunday night(I seem to return to it more often than any other giallo) and I noticed that the two Cipriani tracks that are credited to this movie "La polizia chiede aiuto" and "Papaya" don't appear in it at all. I've only ever watched it in english, are the songs on the italian language track? or are they missing from there too? I believe they were the two tracks on the 7inch that got released. And is'nt there another movie where this music crops up again? I seem to remember reading that a while ago.
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 31 Jul 2007 - 22:43
Stelvio Cipriani has several scores that sound identical till you listen to them seperately.

"La Polizia sta a guardare" and "Tentacles" have some similar scores to "What have they done..."
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Post by: Fray G on 31 Jul 2007 - 22:57
Yeah, it was Polizia sta a guardare I was thinking of, looking up the booklet with the Koch disc of Daughters has this info. Have you seen ...Guardare? is it good?
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 31 Jul 2007 - 23:03
Yeah, it was Polizia sta a guardare I was thinking of, looking up the booklet with the Koch disc of Daughters has this info. Have you seen ...Guardare? is it good?
I haven't, i think comps got it under the titlev "The Great Kidnapping" or something like that
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Post by: Paul on 31 Jul 2007 - 23:37
GREAT KIDNAPPING is the Salerno flick, that Lee J Cobb also appears in. Was released by Thorn/Emi in a big rental box, back in the mid 80s. Curiously, it was rated PG! Still, one I've not watched.
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Post by: bloodvamp on 23 Sep 2007 - 09:37
First off, Vice has one of the finest most beautiful music scores i have ever heard in any film.The acting by Strindberg,Fenech and Pustilli imo is excellent as is the cinematography. Martinos direction really energizes what is basically an old plot. I really enjoyed this film and watch it often.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: zombiefan3999 on 23 Sep 2007 - 10:37
These are getting harder and harrder to find here in the united states. Glad i got all the rare stuff.
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 25 Sep 2007 - 03:48
These are getting harder and harrder to find here in the united states. Glad i got all the rare stuff.

Zombie, are you referring to the VICE movie or the score? Try US amazon if you haven't already. Recently, I was able to obtain two copies of this film rather quickly from there about a month or so ago. Haven't watched it yet, though.
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Post by: Paul on 25 Sep 2007 - 08:15
I thought he was talking about NoShame releases, mate.
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 25 Sep 2007 - 08:20
Oh, gotcha.
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Post by: Paul on 25 Sep 2007 - 08:27
Oh, gotcha.

I could be wrong, but I think that's what he was alluding to.
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Post by: VogNyhmn on 26 Sep 2007 - 20:24
I love this film to the point it's become one of my favorite films ever. Thank you Johnny for the music!
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Post by: Jonny on 26 Sep 2007 - 20:30
Thank you Johnny for the music!

Hehe! No problem mate! Glad to see you on here  :'(
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Post by: Paul on 26 Sep 2007 - 21:27
Than you for the music? You been dealing in your Abba records again, Jonny! Sheeeesh, no more talk of that on here, we'll only get Zanner started...
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 26 Sep 2007 - 21:28
What's wrong with ABBA?  ::)
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 26 Sep 2007 - 21:29
What's wrong with ABBA?  ::)
it's shit :-\
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 26 Sep 2007 - 21:34
Well I like shit!  ::)
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Paul on 26 Sep 2007 - 21:35
What's wrong with ABBA?  ::)
it's shit :-\

I suppose it's fair to say that they're better than Roxette and Ace Of Base, but then that's like saying Aids is better than cancer. Still, if we're talking tacky Europop, I always preferred Unlimited Two.  :D
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Post by: zombiefan3999 on 27 Sep 2007 - 00:22
Yeah i was refering to the no shame release sorry LOL.
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 27 Sep 2007 - 00:43
Here zombie, try here...

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_d/105-2118284-7191610?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias%3Ddvd&field-keywords=your+vice+is+a+locked+room+and+only+I+have+the+key&Go.x=8&Go.y=10&Go=Go
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Post by: The Hunchback on 27 Sep 2007 - 04:10
What's wrong with ABBA?  ::)


Nothing, they have some kick ass songs.

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Post by: Mart85 on 27 Sep 2007 - 08:09
What's wrong with ABBA?  ::)


Nothing, they have some kick ass songs.



You're both Alan Partridge and I claim my fiver!
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Post by: Stephen Grimes on 27 Sep 2007 - 08:18
Dancing Queen sums it up  ::)
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 27 Sep 2007 - 20:12
Dancing Queen sums it up  ::)

What about Fernando, Waterloo, Take A Chance On Me, SOS, etc...? :-\
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Jonny on 27 Sep 2007 - 20:15
Dancing Queen sums it up  ::)

What about Fernando, Waterloo, Take A Chance On Me, SOS, etc...? :-\

Leave the ABBA stuff for off topic will you?
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Post by: Professor_White on 21 Aug 2008 - 14:56
Im a big fan of serigo martino and i loved all his giallo work and miss fenech... well, i just love her period. so i reall went out of my way to find this film. Since it's OFP its really hard. but i bought it on ebay for close to 30 and i watched it. I have to say it's different. its slow, alittle too slow but interesting. it has its moments. like the appearance of Daniela Giordano, who i really liked in Bava's Four times that night. anyway. its not my favorite martino work but its a good film. the music is pretty good and its nice seeing miss fenech in a different kind of roll. but one thing, i know this film was made before Seven Notes in Black... but anyone who's seen both... dont you think Seven Notes used the concept better then this film? i think so.
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Post by: gnorthcott on 17 Jan 2012 - 10:45
Italian locandina

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Post by: Longsden on 02 Feb 2012 - 08:12
Trying to get hold of the No Shame release is proving to be costly and a pain in the arse.

Has anyone dealt with Cult Cine before?
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Post by: aerodynamics on 18 Jan 2013 - 17:55
Trying to get hold of the No Shame release is proving to be costly and a pain in the arse.

Has anyone dealt with Cult Cine before?

Hopefully you weren't expecting a quick answer  ;D

Allow me to relate my CultCine story...I ordered three spaghetti westerns from them (him?) in December 2011.  The movies arrived approximately six weeks later in a padded mailer and looked like they had been handled by the Samsonite gorilla; severely crushed, the cases were broken and the discs extremely scratched.  This began my attempt to contact the seller.  I sent e-mails every two to three weeks explaining the condition of the product and asking if I could return and have replacements sent out.  After about three months with no response I had pretty much given up ever getting any resolution when I noticed the CC website had been updated apologizing for the order backlog.  I sent another copy of my e-mail inquiry and this time finally received a reply apologizing and a promise to send out replacements.  In jubilation I ordered two additional spaghetti westerns.  They arrived approximately two weeks later, and my replacements for the first three shortly thereafter.  One problem -- one of the cases for my original three was empty (somebody apparently forgot to put the disc in there).  I sent another e-mail and received a reply promising a replacement for the missing disc would be sent out.  To date I have never received this replacement.  At this point I have four DVDs for the price of five and resolved not to do business with this outfit again.  CultCine have some good looking stuff and the custom artwork is decent, but I would prefer to download the movies myself rather than pay a grey market dealer.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: aerodynamics on 18 Jan 2013 - 18:00
So anyway...the reason I originally checked this topic is because I wanted to say that one of my favorite parts of this film is the delivery man.  He brings J&B right to your door! (...and god knows Luigi Pistilli drinks a lot of it...)
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Post by: Longsden on 07 May 2015 - 14:03
Looks like this will be the next Arrow release
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Post by: Mark (UK) on 07 May 2015 - 16:29
Looks like this will be the next Arrow release
Very good news  ::) Have they announced anything yet or just dropped hints?
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Post by: strangedaysindeed on 07 May 2015 - 19:01
Excellent news, this is one of those that seems to improve with each viewing ;D
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Post by: logboy on 08 May 2015 - 05:09
Looks like this will be the next Arrow release
Very good news  ::) Have they announced anything yet or just dropped hints?

hints, about a martino film. then teases, which people figured out. then a reveal of a postcard included in recent releases, of the poster for the film. just a date to be set, now.
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Post by: Mark (UK) on 08 May 2015 - 16:55
Cheers logboy, can we assume they are talking blu-ray?
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Post by: logboy on 09 May 2015 - 05:14
Cheers logboy, can we assume they are talking blu-ray?

... sure.
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Post by: Mark (UK) on 10 May 2015 - 21:02
Cheers logboy, can we assume they are talking blu-ray?

... sure.
Thanks  :'( I don't feel so bad neglecting to buy the dvd now  :-\
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Post by: Philleh on 16 May 2015 - 07:12
Fran also mentioned he signed a 'bunch' of gialli titles last week via twitter.
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Post by: Jonny on 22 May 2015 - 06:06
Looks like this one will be an Arrow US release along with WAKE UP AND DIE
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Post by: logboy on 22 May 2015 - 10:00
Fran also mentioned he signed a 'bunch' of gialli titles last week via twitter.

... i'd take a guess at more sergio martino. of all the no shame releases, these seemed to cause a minor re-evaluation or new audience. for me, most of any genre via italy is probably pretty minor compared to one or two top names. martino seems to be gently shuffling his way back to the top of the pack. arrow seemed to accept recommended titles with lots of martino elements as a v close guess to what was due. mind you, i've seen mentions around here (i think) that for at least one of the films previously released on DVD, the elements may not be there for a decent BD, so we shall see.
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Post by: djvaso on 22 May 2015 - 13:31
From Blu-ray.com:
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I've got a long wish list of titles that I'd love to see Arrow take on, and hope to find plenty of surprises as well...

- All the Colors of the Dark
- Case of the Scorpion's Tail
- Death Laid an Egg
- Death Walks at Midnight
- Death Walks in High Heels
- Strange Vice of Mrs. Wardh
I'm sure there's plenty more, but those jump to mind immediately.

A couple of those are forthcoming in 2016! Some we asked for but we asked for all but they were not available. We're hoping there's lots of giallo fans out there, we have lots planned!
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Post by: Longsden on 22 May 2015 - 14:49
Looks like this one will be an Arrow US release along with WAKE UP AND DIE

That's a great little package.
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Post by: DarkAngel on 13 Jul 2015 - 00:34
That's good Arrow is going to release the damn thing.  They always do a fantastic job with what they put out.  I was fortunate enough to be able to snag a copy of NoShame's release.  NoShame did an excellent job with it, it's just too bad it's hard to find and costs a fuckin arm and leg. 

I totally love the film and thought it highly entertaining when I had watched it...I'm a huge Daniela Giordano fan, started a page for her on facebook and everything, so it was great to see her in a well known film in the genre...but you look at the rest of the cast you got the likes of Fenech and Pistilli and it's just so fucking glorious.  I will be on the look out for Arrow's release.  I will definitely be picking it up so long as they manage to throw some good extra's and what not on it.
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Post by: strangedaysindeed on 13 Jul 2015 - 11:14
They are releasing it as part of a Ltd. Ed. box set along with Lucio Fulci's THE BLACK CAT.  The tenous link being the cat.  I hope they also release it as an individual release because not sure I need or want the Fulci film on Blu ray.
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Post by: nibblepibbley on 13 Jul 2015 - 11:23
I'll probably get the pair together. Fulci's Black Cat is pretty good, having trotted it out recently for the first time in over a decade.
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Post by: DjangoLi on 13 Jul 2015 - 11:31
Looks like this one will be an Arrow US release along with WAKE UP AND DIE

(Sorry to go off-topic here...)

Any idea how long their print is going to be? I've been working with a friend who created an almost two hour long version. It combines the German, Greek, and at least two different Italian copies.

It's an excellent movie with great performances from Hoffman and Gastoni - and one of those titles you scratch your head wondering why the hell nobody has released this?

It's also yet another film which undermines the bizarre theory that Italian crime cinema somehow started with 'Bandits in Milan'.

I'm guessing Arrow will end up releasing a seriously truncated version - but right now 'any' kind of official release is long overdue and we should welcome their release with open arms - no matter which version they release.

Poor Lizzani, that's all I can add - You have to put him up there with Damiani, only most of his really good films remain buried in some distributor's vaults, rotting away.
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Post by: Jonny on 13 Jul 2015 - 11:46
I've no idea how long Arrows version is I'm afraid!
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Post by: logboy on 13 Jul 2015 - 13:59
They are releasing it as part of a Ltd. Ed. box set along with Lucio Fulci's THE BLACK CAT.  The tenous link being the cat.  I hope they also release it as an individual release because not sure I need or want the Fulci film on Blu ray.

i've already seen conflicting responses to the Q of people wanting an individual release of 'your vice' - like i do - one stating that once the set goes OOP, an individual repress will happen, the other saying they're unsure if it will happen, both coming from arrow themselves with one directly to me via twitter. i have my doubts, largely because SCR set was supposed to be reissued on DVD only (once OOP) but this has yet to happen.

also a little disappointed there wasn't some very vocal shooting down of the manner in which it's being put out (initially) from the prospective buyers who've been excited at the release in the past, when it was only confirmed via promo postcards in previous discs - perhaps the excitement died down and the announcement only really set a date for something which people already took as a certainty, quite rightly?

i do also get pretty annoyed with the whole arrow fanboyism which means they can pretty much put a lot of half-decent stuff out, and as long as it has the arrow logo and a spine number, enough people will buy into it. distorts the value of the films as individual entities, i'd say - not uncommon these days, but those attitudes has spread to more than a few labels now.
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 13 Jul 2015 - 14:09

i do also get pretty annoyed with the whole arrow fanboyism which means they can pretty much put a lot of half-decent stuff out, and as long as it has the arrow logo and a spine number, enough people will buy into it. distorts the value of the films as individual entities, i'd say - not uncommon these days, but those attitudes has spread to more than a few labels now.


Indeed  :P
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Post by: strangedaysindeed on 13 Jul 2015 - 14:46
I tend to buy Arrow stuff when they have their sales, you can get most of their releases for £8 or less. So im not exactly a Arrow mega fan.  Im annoyed by their pre order prices (£33 for this particular set) but if you wait a few months they will put it on sale for much less.
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Post by: Paul on 13 Jul 2015 - 15:08
That's good Arrow is going to release the damn thing.  They always do a fantastic job with what they put out. 

Err, no they don't. Historically speaking they've been responsible for some catastrophic fuck ups - THE BEYOND (wrongly colour-timed intro), ZFE (missing footage), their original TENEBRAE (awful transfer), BIRD WITH THE CRYSTAL PLUMAGE (wrong aspect ratio).

in the past few years their QC has been far better and they've done some world class releases BUT they're still fucking things up periodically, just look at SHIVERS - given the nature of the releases you'd think that the experts who work for them would take more care or even KNOW how these things should be done - I guess 80-90% of their loyal following is either clueless or convince themselves that EVERYTHING is fantastic.

I still get a fair few of their releases but they are a fly-by-night company that's owned and managed by a bunch of contemptuous so-and-sos that cash-in on the hard work other labels have done to establish certain genres and subgenres.
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Post by: nibblepibbley on 13 Jul 2015 - 15:26
The examples you cite are all historic and fairly well rectified or apologised-for. They are not fly-by-night as they've gone from strength to strength with no sign of that abating. Still it's nice to know you'll condescend to buying some of their releases, however much that must stick in your throat.
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Post by: Paul on 13 Jul 2015 - 15:41
I'm a film fan first and foremost, so it's the film that counts, not the label that issues them.

I'm not going to argue here but I will say that historically speaking they did wait until there was uproar before addressing issues with most of the fuck ups. Their record has gotten better of late, thanks, I'm assuming, to some of the freelancers who have produced the discs and supervised the transfers.
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Post by: strangedaysindeed on 03 Aug 2015 - 15:28
I just pre-ordered this L.E. Arrow set along with the Deep Red 4k restoration.

For today only Amazon are offering £10 discount on a £50 order, code is BIGTHANKS
Seemed like a good time to place a pre-order for some of the expensive forthcoming L.E sets to save some cash. So I paid only £40 ish for both these.
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Post by: Jonny on 03 Aug 2015 - 18:53
I'm waiting for the single film release of this, not interested in THE BLACK CAT.
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Post by: Paul on 05 Aug 2015 - 06:32
I'm waiting for the single film release of this, not interested in THE BLACK CAT.

Perfect way for them to screw fans for the largest amount of money like they did with the extortionately priced WITHNAIL AND I set.

...and it's a proper tenuous link between the two films as far as I'm concerned. They should have gone the whole hog and thrown TWO EVIL EYES in there too!  :-\
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Post by: Longsden on 05 Aug 2015 - 07:57
I'm waiting for the single film release of this, not interested in THE BLACK CAT.

This
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Post by: logboy on 05 Aug 2015 - 09:18
I'm waiting for the single film release of this, not interested in THE BLACK CAT.

This

in a way, i was very surprised there wasn't an uproar about it being packed with another film by a different director. then i realised that i was probably in a minority, in that i don't collect the label - i only want to see 'your vice' for what it is. mind you, the label weren't clearly bothered when i asked about an individual release, as they contradicted themselves by answering differently to my Q both on Facebook and twitter - so ... this surely can't be healthy for business in the long run, because as soon as the collectors go, what else is their business model based upon?
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Post by: Paul on 05 Aug 2015 - 09:41
While there are many who seem to pull themselves to pieces over everything Arrow does the business itself has a very contemptuous stance on the very people who are in awe of it. It'll be interesting to see how long Arrow straddles the edge between being the darling of fanboydom and its whipping boy. At present the scales are tipping in Arrow's favour but fanboys are fickle.

I buy Arrow releases but cannot abide by them as a company - it's obvious that its sole motivation for releasing these films is to make a quick buck and cash-in on the hard work of companies who have spent years establishing a demand for the material. Want a comparison? Look at Synapse, Mondo Macabro, Blue Underground, Criterion and Twilight Time - these are companies that set trends and take risks. Arrow rides their coat tails constantly and only punts on sure bets for the most part and when it doesn't it ponces from its loyal fanbase via crowdfunding initiatives such as Indigogo and Kickstarter. Shocking when you consider that it has more than enough in its coffers to take the risk itself.
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 05 Aug 2015 - 11:00
While there are many who seem to pull themselves to pieces over everything Arrow does the business itself has a very contemptuous stance on the very people who are in awe of it. It'll be interesting to see how long Arrow straddles the edge between being the darling of fanboydom and its whipping boy. At present the scales are tipping in Arrow's favour but fanboys are fickle.

I buy Arrow releases but cannot abide by them as a company - it's obvious that its sole motivation for releasing these films is to make a quick buck and cash-in on the hard work of companies who have spent years establishing a demand for the material. Want a comparison? Look at Synapse, Mondo Macabro, Blue Underground, Criterion and Twilight Time - these are companies that set trends and take risks. Arrow rides their coat tails constantly and only punts on sure bets for the most part and when it doesn't it ponces from its loyal fanbase via crowdfunding initiatives such as Indigogo and Kickstarter. Shocking when you consider that it has more than enough in its coffers to take the risk itself.
::) Well said.
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Post by: Russell22 on 05 Aug 2015 - 11:45
Arrow can do no wrong in my eye  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Paul on 05 Aug 2015 - 12:15
Arrow can do no wrong in my eye  ;D ;D ;D

Just the kind of arse-lickery I'd expect from you, Mr. W.

And what happened to your other eye?
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Post by: Longsden on 05 Aug 2015 - 12:33
While there are many who seem to pull themselves to pieces over everything Arrow does the business itself has a very contemptuous stance on the very people who are in awe of it. It'll be interesting to see how long Arrow straddles the edge between being the darling of fanboydom and its whipping boy. At present the scales are tipping in Arrow's favour but fanboys are fickle.

I buy Arrow releases but cannot abide by them as a company - it's obvious that its sole motivation for releasing these films is to make a quick buck and cash-in on the hard work of companies who have spent years establishing a demand for the material. Want a comparison? Look at Synapse, Mondo Macabro, Blue Underground, Criterion and Twilight Time - these are companies that set trends and take risks. Arrow rides their coat tails constantly and only punts on sure bets for the most part and when it doesn't it ponces from its loyal fanbase via crowdfunding initiatives such as Indigogo and Kickstarter. Shocking when you consider that it has more than enough in its coffers to take the risk itself.

 :'(
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Post by: DjangoLi on 05 Aug 2015 - 15:44
From my limited experience just about all these companies are in it to make a buck first and the films come second.

To be fair, that IS how businesses work so while it may sound harsh, that is exactly how they're supposed to operate. They're not set up as charities to help the poor film buff - they're money men/women making investments hoping to see a healthy (ish) return.

I've yet to see any company that takes risks. They have their market, they know roughly how many units 'x' film will shift, etc...

Companies take these "so-called" risks when the market is buoyant, as it is right now, but not because they think they're taking a gamble - They already know 'x' amount of people will buy anything they release so they either go looking for new titles or repackage titles that have already been released a million times over (but this time the greens are more green, etc)

It's actually a pretty good time right now - but the money comes first for all these companies. More money = more releases.

My only gripe is when a print that's 'slightly brighter' than the previous release is hailed as some sort of masterpiece of remastering.... giving us a million releases of the same film. Then they're just playing into the "triple-dip" fanboy mentality. In essence both the companies and their customers are at fault in this case. Still, what can you do? Fans love pouring on the praise for two extra pixels of grain... and I doubt it will change anytime soon.

I'm just waiting for 4K discs to pick up - then watch Bluray become the new Betamax and and all these debates will start up again.
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Post by: Paul on 05 Aug 2015 - 16:35
I totally appreciate where you're coming from, mate - business is business and yes, even the companies I mentioned are out to turn a profit but I do disagree with you about risk - some companies dip their toes into the pool of financially riskier fayre and others, like Arrow in particular, piggy-back off the work that those companies have done to establish the demand, hence they're a company that's brings to market titles that have had countless releases on DVD and Blu-ray in either the UK or the US - seldom do they go the extra mile by getting something out that's untried. The Boro box is an atypical example for Arrow BUT they took no risk as it was financed by the Kickstarter project.

If you look elsewhere companies such as Kino Lorber and Severin, Twilight Time, even our own 88 Films to a certain degree, go after titles that have never had DVD releases and are bringing them to Blu-ray. Kino, TT, Criterion, Severin, Mondo Macabro and Synapse are run by people whose passion for cinema is obvious - Arrow, the involvement of people like Marc Morris and Michael Brooke aside, just seems so disparate and almost ad hoc, like it's a constant, desperate cash grab rather than a way of bringing to market the pieces of something that fits together as a significant whole.
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Post by: DjangoLi on 05 Aug 2015 - 16:45
I totally appreciate where you're coming from, mate - business is business and yes, even the companies I mentioned are out to turn a profit but I do disagree with you about risk - some companies dip their toes into the pool of financially riskier fayre and others, like Arrow in particular, piggy-back off the work that those companies have done to establish the demand, hence they're a company that's brings to market titles that have had countless releases on DVD and Blu-ray in either the UK or the US - seldom do they go the extra mile by getting something out that's untried. The Boro box is an atypical example for Arrow BUT they took no risk as it was financed by the Kickstarter project.

If you look elsewhere companies such as Kino Lorber and Severin, Twilight Time, even our own 88 Films to a certain degree, go after titles that have never had DVD releases and are bringing them to Blu-ray. Kino, TT, Criterion, Severin, Mondo Macabro and Synapse are run by people whose passion for cinema is obvious - Arrow, the involvement of people like Marc Morris and Michael Brooke aside, just seems so disparate and almost ad hoc, like it's a constant, desperate cash grab rather than a way of bringing to market the pieces of something that fits together as a significant whole.

Agreed on all counts Paul, and I was a bit forgetful in my original post - It's hard not to look at Mondo Macabro (in particular) and say they're not taking risks and I suspect Severin may still have enough copies of 'Eagles Over London' to build a small garden shed.

My general vibe is that I've been dealing with businessmen/women first, for the most part, but yes - there are some out there taking risks.

As for Arrow, I wish they'd been a bit more open about 'Blood and Black Lace' and not stuck to their guns so much (neither side really knows who's right/wrong - and this was obvious from day one) - But beyond that I think they're doing okay. As you say, perhaps too many tired old re-releases of the same films but I blame the customers for that... if they didn't buy them then they wouldn't be re-releasing them.
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Post by: Paul on 05 Aug 2015 - 18:38
As you say, perhaps too many tired old re-releases of the same films, but I blame the customers for that... if they didn't buy them then they'd wouldn't be re-releasing them.

Very true.
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Post by: BAKA on 08 Aug 2015 - 12:01
Couldn't disagree more. If Arrow are so concerned with making a quick buck, one would question the extents (and expense) they've gone to, to improve their technical presentations. It's amusing to see someone laud Kino for caring about these films, when often they're merely serviceable technical presentations with no investment into supplements (often despite a wealth of licensable content). Hell, if you want both versions of several Bava titles you'll need to fork out twice. If Arrow only care about making money, surely it's a more risky proposition investing in such vast amounts of extra content, and going to great lengths to headhunt industry leading talent? Can't help but find the 88 Films comments humorous too, considering how they've aped the Arrow model (and even their former cover designs for the Italian line). How diabolical some of the technical presentations are for their Italian line so far too.

You're hugely misinformed when it comes to the Boro set too, and completely wrong in your claims Arrow took no risk due to the KickStarter. The KickStarter was to restore one of the films. One. Arrow invested heavily in all of the other titles. Several times over the costs of the KickStarter, before they had even began kick-starting (if you will), according to Michael Brooke's posts on another forum. Your view also completely disregards the fact the KickStarter could have failed.

Considering how poorly Japanese titles have done in the past in the UK, the Yoshida set is undoubtedly a risk too. Third Window Films frequently struggles to stay afloat, and had to offload one of their titles they'd partly paid for recently. Eureka famously made a huge loss on their Naruse set. So if Arrow is out to make money, why have they been vocal about investing in Japanese licenses? Sure some of them have had a previous UK release, but more haven't.

Genuinely, just looking at their recent releases and upcoming slate, do people here actually believe that titles like Cemetery Without Crosses, Requiescant and The Tenderness of Wolves aren't risky propositions? Are these really titles a company looking purely to make money, would invest in?
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Post by: DjangoLi on 08 Aug 2015 - 19:40
Pistols at dawn, sir?

 :P

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Post by: BAKA on 09 Aug 2015 - 14:59
Pistols at dawn, sir?

 :P

Pistols? Pfft. Give me a pair of black gloves any day.

Seriously though, not trying to cause trouble or anything like that. Just felt the need to express my opinion, as I seem to be in a minority, and it's nice to debate / discuss. I've met a couple of the guys from Arrow at events and they all seem passionate about what they do. I genuinely don't think they could keep putting the right people in the right places for features etc, if they didn't know what they were doing or enjoy what they were doing. But of course it's all conjecture and opinion. They clearly listen to their customers and are actively trying to improve their product, considering how poor some of their early releases were. I think getting rid of Waddell was a plus too.

I'm not happy about needing to pick up Fulci's mediocre Black Cat to get Your Vice though. That's undoubtedly a move to boost sales. I gather there will be separate releases later, but no word if they'll include booklets or not, and I don't want to wait any longer for Your Vice.
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Post by: DjangoLi on 09 Aug 2015 - 17:33
I think it's customary for any and all DVD companies to be grilled and skewered on forums at some point in time. I mean, what's the alternative? Talk about the films instead? Now that's just crazy!

For what it's worth I think they all do a good job - and any company that gets these films released should be supported to some extent. The problem is things only get exciting around here when they fuck something up... or announce something, that tends to get everyone rather frisky as well.

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Post by: Paul on 09 Aug 2015 - 19:20
There is a lot of negative sentiment online, way too much, in fact but I also think there's a lot of unworthy praise too among the fanboys and it's true what you say, a lot of the people online seem to gravitate towards releases rather than the films themselves. It goes back to what I was saying about Arrow not taking risks by bringing more obscure titles to market. They're technically proficient, have issued great versions of some of my favourites but they seldom step outside their comfort zone and go after something different. That's what annoys me - seeing reams of praise for them from the very vocal fanboys who are mostly silent about the work of companies like MM, Synapse, FilmArt, TT and CameraObscura.
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Post by: logboy on 10 Aug 2015 - 05:26
There is a lot of negative sentiment online, way too much, in fact but I also think there's a lot of unworthy praise too among the fanboys and it's true what you say, a lot of the people online seem to gravitate towards releases rather than the films themselves. It goes back to what I was saying about Arrow not taking risks by bringing more obscure titles to market. They're technically proficient, have issued great versions of some of my favourites but they seldom step outside their comfort zone and go after something different. That's what annoys me - seeing reams of praise for them from the very vocal fanboys who are mostly silent about the work of companies like MM, Synapse, FilmArt, TT and CameraObscura.

gravitating towards releases seems to come from fear / difficulty of discussing film content, or widespread personal sense that it's not necessary due to predominantly buying films that aren't to be classed as blind buys. talk then heads towards aspects of presentation, packaging, extras, versions thereof ... and  dread to think what it's done to perception of films for future generations that in any way reference or rely upon the online forum for knowledge of what's out there, how to assess its relative value to distorted personal taste.
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Post by: BAKA on 10 Aug 2015 - 07:09
Agree wholeheartedly about the likes of Camera Obscura, Mondo Macabro and FilmArt. I only recently discovered some of FilmArt's releases were English friendly. I've since picked up a couple, and intend to pick up some more. Another label I'm hugely fond of is Vinegar Syndrome. Loving that they release so much stuff I've never heard of. It's amazing they seem to scan and restore most (if not all) of their releases in house. They put a lot of big labels to shame. I bought Night Of The Strangler recently from the product description alone.

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Interracial baby-makers vs. insanely racist strangle-ragers in this southern-fried whodunnit hatewave. Everyone’s second favorite Monkee (Micky Dolenz) stars in Louisiana’s premier bloodletting blowout: Guns! Knives! Drowning! Venomous snakes! Absolutely zero strangling! It’s a sweat-soaked, sleazoid slay-ride through segregated ’70s slaughter!

Seriously, how can anyone resist that?
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Post by: g053584398 on 24 Aug 2015 - 21:15
Agree wholeheartedly about the likes of Camera Obscura, Mondo Macabro and FilmArt. I only recently discovered some of FilmArt's releases were English friendly. I've since picked up a couple, and intend to pick up some more. Another label I'm hugely fond of is Vinegar Syndrome. Loving that they release so much stuff I've never heard of. It's amazing they seem to scan and restore most (if not all) of their releases in house. They put a lot of big labels to shame. I bought Night Of The Strangler recently from the product description alone.

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Interracial baby-makers vs. insanely racist strangle-ragers in this southern-fried whodunnit hatewave. Everyone’s second favorite Monkee (Micky Dolenz) stars in Louisiana’s premier bloodletting blowout: Guns! Knives! Drowning! Venomous snakes! Absolutely zero strangling! It’s a sweat-soaked, sleazoid slay-ride through segregated ’70s slaughter!

Seriously, how can anyone resist that?

I'm a big fan of Camera Obscura, Mondo Macabro and FilmArt as well; with Mondo probably my favourite.

Aye, Vinegar Syndrome sure know how to promote their releases! As you say, they are a very good label and the fact that they don't filter their transfers shames many other labels. If only Raro could be as consistent!
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Post by: babybreese on 25 Aug 2015 - 12:59
I bought Night Of The Strangler recently from the product description alone.

Seriously, how can anyone resist that?

I'd counter anyone who has seen the film already could easily resist  ;D
VS doesn't release a lot I want to add to my collection, but they are one of the best houses out there.

The whole phenomenon of customers who blindly support labels instead of actual individual film releases is a mystery to me, just glad I don't possess this particular metal defect ( I have plenty of others already  :-* )
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Post by: g053584398 on 25 Aug 2015 - 16:47
I bought Night Of The Strangler recently from the product description alone.

Seriously, how can anyone resist that?

I'd counter anyone who has seen the film already could easily resist  ;D
VS doesn't release a lot I want to add to my collection, but they are one of the best houses out there.

The whole phenomenon of customers who blindly support labels instead of actual individual film releases is a mystery to me, just glad I don't possess this particular metal defect ( I have plenty of others already  :-* )

I agree with you. I can't understand why some people purchase every release from a particular label, even if they are not bothered about certain films. Even though I love the labels mentioned above, I only buy the titles that I really want. Although Mondo Macabro is probably my favorite label I haven't got all of their titles because some of them, notably the Bollywood and Pakistani horror films, just don't appeal to me. I would say the same thing about hartbox and steel-tin releases as well. Each to their own though!
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Post by: WayneSmith on 25 Aug 2015 - 20:15
I want this movie too, and also have no interest in that Fulci movie.
Title: Re: Your Vice Is A Locked Room And Only I Have The Key (Sergio Martino, 1972)
Post by: Funktion on 01 Sep 2015 - 10:38
I want this movie too, and also have no interest in that Fulci movie.
Both movies will be released separately, without the 80 page book (which is the only exclusive content to the boxset):
https://www.facebook.com/ArrowVideo/photos/a.157131957654140.32409.124795987554404/1009567899077204/?type=1&comment_id=1009572905743370&reply_comment_id=1009573775743283&total_comments=3&comment_tracking={%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22} (https://www.facebook.com/ArrowVideo/photos/a.157131957654140.32409.124795987554404/1009567899077204/?type=1&comment_id=1009572905743370&reply_comment_id=1009573775743283&total_comments=3&comment_tracking={%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22})
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Post by: logboy on 01 Sep 2015 - 12:00
I want this movie too, and also have no interest in that Fulci movie.
Both movies will be released separately, without the 80 page book (which is the only exclusive content to the boxset)

... unfortunately, i've asked this Q of them and seen their facebook posts, and they've managed to contradict themselves on the possibility of individual releases.

the SCR boxset was supposed to be reissued on DVD-only, but this has never happened. my experience so far is that it's only happening when it happens, and any statement that says it definitely will has to be taken with a huge pinch of salt.

i would have expected an outcry when the release was eventually revealed to be part of a related package, but arrow's announcement days seem to attract their hardcore fans and this keeps those that may be less than impressed at quite a distance.
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Post by: Funktion on 01 Sep 2015 - 13:50
... unfortunately, i've asked this Q of them and seen their facebook posts, and they've managed to contradict themselves on the possibility of individual releases.

the SCR boxset was supposed to be reissued on DVD-only, but this has never happened. my experience so far is that it's only happening when it happens, and any statement that says it definitely will has to be taken with a huge pinch of salt.
I'm sure they will get separate releases. I don't know about SCR (I know they mentioned the films wouldn't be released separately, reason I bought the set, but I wasn't aware they promised a DVD-only re-release afterwards), but at least for recent releases, whenever they announced a boxset, or a limited release, they have been upfront about what would be released separately afterwards, and what would be missing from it, and so far things turned out as they announced:
-they announced the films from the Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection would be released separately, without the book, and they indeed released the films separately;
-they announced the same thing for the films from the Vincent Price in Six Gothic Tales by Edgar Allan Poe (with the separate releases missing just some of the content from the book included on the set), and they did release the films separately;
-they announced both The Long Good Friday and Mona Lisa would be released separately, without the bonus disc (the disc with a couple of interviews, and short film), and they released them separately;
-they announced Thief would be re-released without the 2nd disc (an exclusive for the first pressing), Society would be re-released in an amaray case, without the comic, among others, and they did good on that.

As for upcoming releases, they announced that:
-these two films will be released separately, without the book, after this boxset sells out;
-Deep Red will be re-released after the upcoming limited edition sells out, without the 2nd BD (with the so called "international theatrical cut"), and without the 3rd disc, a soundtrack CD;
-the 5 films from their Battles Without Honour and Humanity boxset will be re-released separately (without a 150 page book, and without the bonus disc with The Complete Saga, a compilation film featuring footage from the first 4 films).
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Post by: strangedaysindeed on 16 Sep 2015 - 14:23
Hm, im puzzled, what is this "SCR" you are referring to?

edit - actually don't worry - it clicked, "Stray Cat Rock". this box was available for £20 so not sure why anyone would wait for the separate releases which is why Arrow probably havnt released them. i.e. it would be insane.
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Post by: logboy on 17 Sep 2015 - 07:57
Hm, im puzzled, what is this "SCR" you are referring to?

edit - actually don't worry - it clicked, "Stray Cat Rock". this box was available for £20 so not sure why anyone would wait for the separate releases which is why Arrow probably havnt released them. i.e. it would be insane.

not expecting separates for SCR, but they did say there would be a DVD-only set once the initial BD one sold out. and they've used that line, or similar (as in individual releases) for several sets or packages since ... so i hold my breath for an individual disc for 'your vice', despite how a few special editions have had plainer ones in time, it's hardly entirely reliable.

yes, SCR could be had for about £20 when it first appeared. it's long sold out and does fetch quite a lot of money on eBay. i would have though the good business move would be to cash in on this by going through with a reissue, in DVD or BD ... seems like every day they get new collectors picking their stuff up.
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Post by: strangedaysindeed on 17 Sep 2015 - 08:59
You can still get the Region A USA release of "SCR" for equivalent of £30 so they probably assume that any remaining worldwide demand for it will be taken care of by that release.