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Title: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: fdsmedia on 29 Feb 2008 - 11:51
Warner Home Video, May 2008:

(http://shocktillyoudrop.com/nextraimages/the-devils-dvd-art.jpg)
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 29 Feb 2008 - 12:13
Well, it's about time. Really great to see this coming out. Wonder what special features will be on the disc. I heard that Ken Russell and Mark Kermode had recorded an audio commentary. Kermode's excellent 'Hell On Earth' documentary would be a great addition too.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 29 Feb 2008 - 12:21
I heard that Ken Russell and Mark Kermode had recorded an audio commentary.
lets hope they are seperate audio commentarys and not together, that Kermode annoys me.

When me and Paul met William Friedkin he was there, i got Friedkin to sign my japanese laserdisc then Kermode went to sign it aswell! I stopped him, what the fuck would i want him signing my disc for! fair enough if it was his Exorcist book but not my fucking laser!

Will this "Unrated" version be complete because i thought most of that extra stuff was destroyed.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: fdsmedia on 29 Feb 2008 - 15:27
Here's info from shocktillyoudrop.com:

"Hoo-boy. Warner Home Video announced it has set a May 20th street date for Ken Russell's infamous The Devils. Purists will take no pleasure in learning there are no extras. They should, however, note Warner is presenting an uncut version (at 111 minutes in length). Released in 1971, the film stars Oliver Reed, Vanessa Redgrave, Gemma Jones and Dudley Sutton."
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 29 Feb 2008 - 15:30
Here's info from shocktillyoudrop.com:

"Hoo-boy. Warner Home Video announced it has set a May 20th street date for Ken Russell's infamous The Devils. Purists will take no pleasure in learning there are no extras. They should, however, note Warner is presenting an uncut version (at 111 minutes in length). Released in 1971, the film stars Oliver Reed, Vanessa Redgrave, Gemma Jones and Dudley Sutton."

I'll still buy this release, but they could have indluded the documentary. surely it wouldn't have cost them that much to licence...
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: zykl0nb on 01 Mar 2008 - 05:18
dammit... (http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/archives/2008/02/forget_the_devi.php)
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Jonny on 01 Mar 2008 - 08:22
Apparently all this fuss about a DVD releases has just been a hoax...

Tim Lucas on 'The Devils' recent DVD 'release' news (http://videowatchdog.blogspot.com/2008/02/devils-hoax-and-la-bava-retro-in-march.html)
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 01 Mar 2008 - 13:46
Lucas puts a decent case across for the release being a hoax.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: CJ on 02 Mar 2008 - 02:55
Hoax or not, I really do hope this is put out on DVD soon. It's beyond time. Ollie Reed's finest moment, for sure.

The way it questions the mentality of religion, for good or bad, is perceptive and daring. It takes in mass hsyteria, religious fanaticism and the blinkered thinking of clerics - what's not to like? It's a masterpiece.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: grantwal on 02 Mar 2008 - 10:42
At least its given a heads-up to Warner the amount of interest in this film. With the Warner Brothers anniversary release program this year I'm still hopeful.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 02 Mar 2008 - 17:21
They must be a ware of this title's potential, there's been petitions and enquiries galore in the past.

Really hope this isn't a hoax.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: MarcMorris on 02 Mar 2008 - 17:42
From what I hear, Warner's won't release it. They have way too many religious zealots working for them nowadays.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 03 Mar 2008 - 09:26
From what I hear, Warner's won't release it. They have way too many religious zealots working for them nowadays.

That says it all. Let's hope the Democrats get into power at the next US election; they're usually a lot more lenient on censorship aren't as prone to scaremongering.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: zykl0nb on 23 Mar 2008 - 21:05
Yeah...that's why democrats Joseph Lieberman and Tipper Gore spearheaded censorship campaigns against various media in the 90s...
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 24 Mar 2008 - 11:39
Yeah...that's why democrats Joseph Lieberman and Tipper Gore spearheaded censorship campaigns against various media in the 90s...
Tipper Gore has been a target in a couple of Ice-t tracks :)
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Michael Blanton on 25 Apr 2008 - 21:42
Yeah...that's why democrats Joseph Lieberman and Tipper Gore spearheaded censorship campaigns against various media in the 90s...


Lieberman might as well be a Republican, he's endorsed McCain for President and supports the war.

I recently bought an anamorphic R0 NTSC version from Luminous Film Video Wurks (They're a little slow in getting product out).  The transfer is a little soft, but it'll  do till WB gets off their butts and does an official release.

 http://www.lfvw.com/devils.html
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Sadako on 10 Aug 2008 - 17:51
Well, May came and went and no DVD release.

Another grey market release has shown up, it's a copy of the BBC transmission from a few years ago, cropped down to 16:9. Low-res image quality, but completely uncut. Also includes various TV documentaries about the film and Russell's original run-in with the censors.
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.542592/qx/details.htm
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Distorty on 11 Aug 2008 - 03:39
I saw this last night in a cut version 35mm print in Sydney. The print was in DIRE condition, and as I said it was cut, it was however, still cool to see it finally.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: reaper72 on 30 Aug 2008 - 17:21
DESPERATELY needs a release doesn't it? >:(
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: reaper72 on 11 Feb 2009 - 22:47
I bought a Maverick Director's vhs from a certain auction site for a fiver,so this and the DVDR will need to suffice in the meantime.Is there an actual longer cut than this?
Warner should use the below for their artwork-beautiful poster! 8)
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: prospero on 12 Feb 2009 - 12:02
Another grey market release has shown up, it's a copy of the BBC transmission from a few years ago, cropped down to 16:9. Low-res image quality, but completely uncut. Also includes various TV documentaries about the film and Russell's original run-in with the censors.
[url]http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.542592/qx/details.htm[/url]

got this one and it's probably the best option available right now. image quality varies from good to so-so, but with all those extras, I'm happy with it. And Warners can go to hell. or to Salt Lake City...
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: prospero on 12 Feb 2009 - 12:10
Tipper Gore has been a target in a couple of Ice-t tracks :)
which instantly makes her sympathetic in my eyes. Hip hop is one of those things which make me think, BRING IN THE CENSOR, PLEASE!
Isn't Ice-T that retard who posed with bikini-clad bimbos and a machine gun? Or was that Ice Cube? anyway, they're sexist assholes, all of them! Kill Hip hop, do it NOW!  :)  >:(
(well, it's dead by now anyway...)
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Michael Blanton on 12 Feb 2009 - 14:05
Tipper Gore has been a target in a couple of Ice-t tracks :)
which instantly makes her sympathetic in my eyes. Hip hop is one of those things which make me think, BRING IN THE CENSOR, PLEASE!
Isn't Ice-T that retard who posed with bikini-clad bimbos and a machine gun? Or was that Ice Cube? anyway, they're sexist assholes, all of them! Kill Hip hop, do it NOW!  :)  >:(
(well, it's dead by now anyway...)

Huh?


Please, less censorship, not more.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: prospero on 13 Feb 2009 - 12:22
Tipper Gore has been a target in a couple of Ice-t tracks :)
which instantly makes her sympathetic in my eyes. Hip hop is one of those things which make me think, BRING IN THE CENSOR, PLEASE!
Huh?
Please, less censorship, not more.

aah, that's what I used to believe in, too. changed my mind just recently after watching a muslim immigrant preacher on telly, he was asking for all Jews and gays to be wiped from the earth.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Michael Blanton on 13 Feb 2009 - 16:35
Tipper Gore has been a target in a couple of Ice-t tracks :)
which instantly makes her sympathetic in my eyes. Hip hop is one of those things which make me think, BRING IN THE CENSOR, PLEASE!
Huh?
Please, less censorship, not more.

aah, that's what I used to believe in, too. changed my mind just recently after watching a muslim immigrant preacher on telly, he was asking for all Jews and gays to be wiped from the earth.

...and what does Hip Hop have to do with a sole whacked out person wanting to off groups of people? 

You know Christians had their Crusades, so should Christian preachers be censored?  Should Shakespeare be banned because young teenage lovers commit suicide in Romeo and Juliet?  Should any Giallo film that has Barabara Bouchet trying to seduce a young boy be censored?  What about Bouchet shaking her ass on a table-top in a go-go bar in a skimpy bikini?  What about any Edwige Fenech film that has gratuitous nudity?  What about a polizioteschi film where a mafioso kills innocent people and goes unpunished?  What about Mondo films?

You're headed down a slippery slope my friend with censorship.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Bogan The Wanderer on 14 Feb 2009 - 05:55
I don't see any reason at all for censorship, anywhere.  I'm fine for things to be classified, as it serves a useful purpose (though even this goes overboard in the US sometimes as various theaters used the NC-17 rating to drop whole movies down the toilet), but censorship is a waste of everyone's time.  Misguided folk who counter with "..so, you'd be okay with kiddie porn/murder/snuff videos being sold, then?" (something I've seen pop up on numerous threads on genre boards about censorship) should be fully aware that those acts are already illegal and subject to prosecution without the censorship process needing a look in at all, and increasing government censorship likely affects those events not one bit.  (I can see the argument for censorship even increasing the chance of certain types of crimes, as Japan, with its full-on rape/S+M porn and leering sexual imagery throughout much of its media, still today has one of the lower rates of crime, sexual and otherwise, in the developed world).

  Fucking Warner should get its act together with THE DEVILS, it's well overdue for a release.   :)  :)  I find it interesting though that the official word from Warner when that cover leaked was that the cover and announcement was "..a mistake", giving the impression that it had appeared internally and might have been set to go until some Bush-fearing head honcho said nada.

  Get off your fucking arse Warner and release this movie while Ken Russell is still with us, you slow fucking pricks! 
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Michael Blanton on 14 Feb 2009 - 06:03
I don't see any reason at all for censorship, anywhere.

Amen!  ;)
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: prospero on 16 Feb 2009 - 10:33
I don't see any reason at all for censorship, anywhere. 
well I do respect this point of view, but I don't share it. I tend to think that often things are more complicated. Censorship IS highly problematic (who's to decide?), and can only ever be an expedient. But there are more difficult things than Edwige's tits or Barbara Bouchet's seducing a minor. I mean, I certainly don't mind that someone like Beenie Man is punished for his attitude (quote: "I'm dreaming of a new Jamaica, come to execute all the gays") by not being allowed into the UK, and this IS a form of censorship, too. Of course it's questionable as to what positive effect this will have, but on the other hand you can't just let things like that go on.
It's a highly unpopular point of view especially in circles like this, but I often feel that the whole fuss about violent films being cut is a bit gratuitous/automatic. I know that most will disagree, but personally I'm often rather indifferent to the question whether I can see some zombie's head explode in minute detail, or whether the scene's been cut - we're not talking about some Antonioni film but products that were spiced up with sex and violence for the sole reason of maximizing the commerical returns. "Saw part 85" or "Hostel" being cut? so what??
It often seems a lot like a predicatble game - directors put in some in-your-face violence to give a film a commerical boost, which is then being cut by the censor. next thing is that fans start to go rabid, and talk of "art" and all that. though a lot of it has more to do with cold calculating (and greed) than with freedom of speech, or art. 
So consequently I couldn't care less if some Lenzi cannibal flick is being cut to shreds (though I quite like Lenzi), while at the same time I feel totally offended when somethig like "The Devils" is being cut, or withdrawn from release so as not to provoke possible outrage.
As I said, I know this is highly unpopular and I'm unlikely to make new friends this way, but I just can't help it.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 16 Feb 2009 - 12:02
I certainly don't mind that someone like Beenie Man is punished for his attitude (quote: "I'm dreaming of a new Jamaica, come to execute all the gays") by not being allowed into the UK, and this IS a form of censorship, too.
But they soon let Islamic preachers of hate into the country, then some Dutch bloke wants to show his film against the preachers of hate in the U.K. and is not allowed in.

It's all double dutch to me

It seems nowdays that PC counts for one thing and not another.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Michael Blanton on 16 Feb 2009 - 12:35
There are kooks and haters everywhere.  Catholic Bishops saying the Holocuast didn't happen.  What a crock of Shite.

We have a Baptist preacher in the U.S., named Fred Phelps, who protests at just about every American soldier's funeral with signs that say "God hates fags."  Phelps truly believes that our soldiers die, because our country, in his opinion, condones homosexuality.  Wacko!  :o

If you suppress speech, it just goes underground where it ferments, but if it's aboveground, you can counter it with better speech, that makes the fucked-up idiotic speech and messages of hate, look ridiculous and pathetic.  Of course the Dutch filmmaker should've been allowed into the UK to show his film.   

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/10/holocaust-denial-bishop-sacked

http://www.godhatesfags.com/



Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 16 Feb 2009 - 13:17
Political correctness is completely absurd notion as far as I'm concerned. To be PC one actually treats minority groups differently when in fact, everybody should be treated the same. Political correctness does nothing but to stir anger and resentment towards the people is supposedly protecting.

That "God Hates Fags" guy has been profiled on two different British documentaries - one by Louis Theroux, the other by Keith "father of Lili" Allen, I believe. Part of me thinks that people like that should be left to carry on, as they're only digging themselves further into a hole and are dispised by the majority, anyway. The other part of me thinks that they should be locked up so that they're not allowed to carry on like that at the funerals of the servicemen. It's disresptful to those that have died and like spitting in the face of their familes and loved ones.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Michael Blanton on 16 Feb 2009 - 17:53
Political correctness is completely absurd notion as far as I'm concerned. To be PC one actually treats minority groups differently when in fact, everybody should be treated the same. Political correctness does nothing but to stir anger and resentment towards the people is supposedly protecting.

That "God Hates Fags" guy has been profiled on two different British documentaries - one by Louis Theroux, the other by Keith "father of Lili" Allen, I believe. Part of me thinks that people like that should be left to carry on, as they're only digging themselves further into a hole and are dispised by the majority, anyway. The other part of me thinks that they should be locked up so that they're not allowed to carry on like that at the funerals of the servicemen. It's disresptful to those that have died and like spitting in the face of their familes and loved ones.

I agree about being PC.  It's rubbish.

RE: Phelps

In the U.S. we have time, place and manner laws, which while not banning free speech, can limit its effectiveness if it becomes overbearing.  In response to the likes of Phelps, some local governments have now passed laws that a person has to be so many yards - 500, for example -  from a funeral  if you are going to protest.  So while it doesn't ban Phelps' speech, it limits its brunt.  He can have his little idiotic protest, the family can have a dignified funeral.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Bogan The Wanderer on 17 Feb 2009 - 05:47
Seems fair enough, though on reflection (and I won't bang on about the political side of things here) I recall Bush and the Republicans often had 'free speech zones' passed or enforced when Bush was giving a speech somewhere and protesters wanted to voice their anger nearby.  The protesters were told to fuck off 1km/2km/3km or however far away it was and do their protest there, making them a moot point well out of earshot of the Republicans who didn't have to be bothered by hearing the protests.

  In Oz it was just as bad when Bush visited, local protesters were told to fuck right off away from our local Parliament.  Again, Bush got to mooch around at a BBQ with our (now gone) dipshit PM without being bothered by the sounds of people unhappy that he might have started a war or two.

  I'm rambling a bit.  Prospero, don't worry about 'not making any friends', this is a pretty relaxed forum I've found and I actually respect your point of view.  You've given some solid thought to the matter, which is a good thing.

  I have a Korean girlfriend and if someone started spouting seriously vicious racist stuff at her within my earshot I'd probably punch their lights out.  That said I think film censorship is a load of crap and wish my own country was more relaxed about sex and violence in films like Japan and some European countries seem to be.  (This is making allowances for the fogged-pubes stuff Japan used to put up with, but I still find what they allow in their films to be more wild and extreme than most western countries).
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: prospero on 17 Feb 2009 - 11:39
That said I think film censorship is a load of crap and wish my own country was more relaxed about sex and violence in films like Japan and some European countries seem to be.  (This is making allowances for the fogged-pubes stuff Japan used to put up with, but I still find what they allow in their films to be more wild and extreme than most western countries).
politically, I suppose censorship is often more a kind of political statement rather than an effective method of fighting extremism. which somehow is no contradiction, to me at least. How you judge censorship probably depends on what you define as its purpose. Here in Germany, for instance, swastikas, SS-Signs and Hitlers "Mein Kampf" are strictly banned, which is a clear case of censorship, and I'm not exactly unhappy about that. Sure, it won't end Anti-Semitism or fascist idiocies, but it makes life a bit more difficult for those who wish to promote such ideologies.
But to get back to films, the point I was trying to make is that somehow and sometimes it seems to be part of the game, doesn't it? I mean, exploitation films do consciously push boundaries and often the directors clearly intend to break a taboo and trigger censorship which in turn gives the fim some sort of notoriety. Therefore, the usual reaction of bans and outrage seems an integral part of the whole idea of exploitation films. Lenzi, for one, definitely benefited from the controversy surrounding his cannibal flicks. and it adds to the fun of watching this stuff, doesn't it? Just think how boring it would be if you could just walk into the next HMV or whatever store and pick up the totally uncut version of "New York Ripper"... it's so much more attractive having to get it from the "specialized dealer"...
the Japanese pubes-blurring-mania is of course a different matter, cause it's basically like saying that the human body as such is offensive. Or perhaps you have to be Asian to understand this.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Bogan The Wanderer on 23 Mar 2009 - 05:38
Warners are doing their annual Home Theater Forum chat Monday night USA time, so if anyone's going to ask them about THE DEVILS (not just from this board, but in general, as various heads-ups alerting folks to the chat have been posted on a number of boards), now is the time.  If Warner doesn't announce THE DEVILS or at least confirm its on its way for later this year, I'm off to HKFlix.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Bogan The Wanderer on 24 Mar 2009 - 00:00
Chat's going as I type this.  Someone asked an early question about THE DEVILS, Warner hinted that they knew someone would ask that question, but ultimately just replied yeah, we're working on it, with no other details or date or year or promises beyond that.  I'm a bit disappointed, though I guess not surprised, and will grab the HKFlix version in the next month or so.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 25 Jul 2010 - 18:20
Just to mention this here--as it has already been alluded to by Magnus and Jonny in the Latest Purchase thread--Warner is issuing this on DVD in Spain this Wednesday (28th July) and can be bought from this PayPal friendly retailer:

The Devils - Starscafe (Spain) (http://www.starscafe.com/en/movie/the-devils-spanish.aspx)
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Michael Blanton on 25 Jul 2010 - 19:39
The Devils (Warner, Spain)

Where did you order from?


Here you go Ben...

The Devils - Starscafe (Spain) ([url]http://www.starscafe.com/en/movie/the-devils-spanish.aspx[/url])


Is it uncut?  

The synopsis (combined from the English and Spanish pages - see translation below) says nothing about this and the rating below on the English friendly page it states "Rating: R" which was the same rating as the cut VHS that Warners released in the States.  On the Spanish Friendly page it states "(Reino Unido)[+18]" United Kingdom 18+ and below the synopsis it states "Clasificación: Mayores de 18 años" or "Rating: over 18."

The Spanish synopsis:

"en una de sus mejores interpretaciones, [Reed] da vida a un sacerdote con unas ideas religiosas y políticas radicales que, unidas a su promiscuidad sexual, le granjean numerosos enemigos.

Cuando las monjas de un convento parece haber sido "embrujadas", se le acusa del mayor delito: la herejía."

The translated synopsis (to English) reads:

"in one of his best performances, [Reed] portrays a priest with some radical political and religious ideas, which together with his sexual promiscuity, earned him many enemies.

When the nuns from a [local] convent appear to be "possessed," [Reed] is accused of heresy, the greatest sin"
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: fdsmedia on 25 Jul 2010 - 19:42
I don't know if it's uncut, but I volunteered to find out... stay tuned.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Michael Blanton on 25 Jul 2010 - 19:51
I don't know if it's uncut, but I volunteered to find out... stay tuned.


Thanks, mate.

I've got, according to Luminous Film& Video Wurks,
"The Most Complete Version."
(http://www.lfvw.com/devils.jpg)

The quality is of the transfer is somewhat soft and the rumor, if I remember correctly, is that the uncut footage was taken from a British telecast a few years back which screened it uncut.

http://www.lfvw.com/devils.html
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: fdsmedia on 25 Jul 2010 - 19:53
So if the Spanish DVD is indeed 111 mins PAL it should be even longer... we'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 25 Jul 2010 - 19:54
I would assume it's the longer version, as it has been screened at the BFI.

I checked BBFC website. Last version submitted to them (in 1997) was still cut and ran 106:41 (PAL speed). The one on the Spanish site states 111 - so I am hopeful.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 25 Jul 2010 - 20:02
I would assume it's the longer version, as it has been screened at the BFI.

I checked BBFC website. Last version submitted to them (in 1997) was still cut and ran 106:41 (PAL speed).

The director's cut has, apparently, been screened and passed by the BBFC according to Mark Kermode.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: TheCaptain on 25 Jul 2010 - 23:44
Sounds good and I'm hoping.... but a few of the Spanish DVD outlets I've looked on seem to indicate 103 mins and a non-anamorphic widescreen... here's a link to one of them http://www.dvdgo.com/dvd-los-demonios-dvd/1772203/154275 (http://www.dvdgo.com/dvd-los-demonios-dvd/1772203/154275)
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 26 Jul 2010 - 07:51
Sounds good and I'm hoping.... but a few of the Spanish DVD outlets I've looked on seem to indicate 103 mins and a non-anamorphic widescreen... here's a link to one of them [url]http://www.dvdgo.com/dvd-los-demonios-dvd/1772203/154275[/url] ([url]http://www.dvdgo.com/dvd-los-demonios-dvd/1772203/154275[/url])


We'll have to wait and see, though I'd be very, very surprised if it clocks in at 103, as the longer but still cut widescreen VHS version released in the UK was almost four minutes longer than that.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Michael Blanton on 26 Jul 2010 - 23:31
RUSSELLMANIA!
(http://www.filmlinc.com/wrt/onsale/kenrussell/images/banner.jpg)

For anyone in NYC, the Film Society of Lincoln Center will be presenting RUSSELLMANIA!, July 30 to August 5, with Ken Russell in person each evening!

http://www.filmlinc.com/wrt/onsale/kenrussell.html

The 111 minute version of THE DEVILS on July 30th.

http://www.filmlinc.com/wrt/onsale/kenrussell/thedevils.html
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Mark GW on 30 Jul 2010 - 09:46
There a few films that I will foam at the mouth for and this is one of them.  Must get that Spanish DVD.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Mark GW on 30 Jul 2010 - 13:47
I have been reliably informed that the DVD should be out in Spain today.  Has anyone in Spain been able to get hold of a copy yet?
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: medway garage on 02 Aug 2010 - 12:07
I REALLY hope I'm wrong but I have my doubts that this Spanish DVD will be complete.Apparentely Warner Bros refused permission to the
 Lincoln Center,NY to screen the restored version, at a recent screening at the Fantasia Film Festival this happened ;

http://www.criterionforum.org/forum/...=7686&start=75

quote; 'Just to give you an idea of how difficult Warner Bros. is making it to see this film.At the Fantasia Film Festival currently happening in Montreal, the organizers presented a lifetime achievement award to Ken Russell along with a screening of "The Devils." Prior to the screening, one of the organizers recounted how the screening almost didn't happen. The original plan by the organizers was to import a 35mm print from France, but Warner Bros. said they wouldn't allow it and that any print screened had to be from Canada. Unfortunately, the only print in Canada is incredibly damaged and nearly faded to red. The organizers then asked Warner Bros. if they could have a print from the U.S. shipped. WB again said no, and that the print shown had to be the "Canadian theatrical version" (which is the same as the US, but WB insisted they were different). Finally, after begging and have others call on their behalf, WB finally agreed to send a video master to screen --- but not of the restored version, it was the theatrical cut.So yeah, don't hold your breath for this appear uncut on DVD anytime soon.'


Over on dvd maniacs.net I've been posting about the situation regarding this film, Don May JR is addiment that the reason for the hold up is 'a legal issue',he says he has a contact at Warner US,' who just happens to be "Director of Operations" [was the snarky reply I recieved] ,however Mark Kermode says differently

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/markkermo...cross_the.html

I know the clip is from 2008,BUT bear in mind the DVD was originally listed as forthcoming with an extensive list of extras via various UK e-vendors in 2004,so I believe this could well be a mcguffin to silence Warners critics,doesn't mean Don's friend is wrong,but may have been misled by someone higher up.Apparentely at the 2004 NFT screening there was a Warner 'UK' rep in addendance who was very possitive about a forthcoming UK DVD release,so what has happened in the intervening years to stop this release ? Is it possible that the UK restored cut was prepared without the permission of the 'suits' in the US,Warner UK were happy to release the film in the UK, but maybe got slapped down by the US arm of Warner,who knows for sure until Warner US actually bother to answer their critics.

If anyone would like to follow the thread on dvdmaniacs here's the link;

http://www.avmaniacs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45864&page=10
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: medway garage on 02 Aug 2010 - 13:55
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It would be nice If we could get a timeline of the various events that have happend over the last 10 years,If any of you can help with dates or other notable events please feel free to contribute;

-'Hell On Earth' documentary screened [ch 4 UK] 2002
http://www.film4.com/features/article/footnotes-to-apos-hell-on-earth-apos

-Ken Russell records commentary for the upcoming UK DVD release [sometime in 2003]

-'The Devils' restored [?] UK and US [?] Dvd announced [Release date July 2003] listed as a preorder on UK etailer sites such as Play.com.Listed extras included a commentary w/Russell and a longer cut of the 'Hell On Earth' doc

This info from Mark GW at lovelockandload.net;
'I seem to remember that Play had a Special Edition DVD with a commentary and the HELL ON EARTH documentary up for pre-order not long after it was shown on Channel 4. This discussion about it in the DVD Times forums at the time confirms it was on pre-order during 2003 with a scheduled release for July that year:
http://forums.thedigitalfix.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=201663

-'The Devils' restored video restoration screened at NFT,London Nov 2004.[Ken Russell and Mark Kermode in attendance]

-DVD Release cancelled [Can anyone supply a date]

-Angel Digital bootleg DVD released [sometime in 2005]

-Restored version premiered at the Brussels International Festival of Fantasy Film in March 2006.

-Restored version screened at the University of Southampton April 25, 2007 [Ken Russell and Mark Kermode in attendance]

-"DVDActive.com announced on February 28, 2008 that The Devils would finally be released on DVD by Warner Home Video in the U.S. on May 20, 2008, in the uncut (111 minutes) version, but without additional material. However, a day later, a DVDActive forum post asserted that the release had been dropped from Warner's schedule."
US release thought to be fake [see both links bellow],although Don May JR's contact at Warner claims It to be genuine.Here's a link to what Tim Lucas had to say about this release 29th Feb 2008] ;
http://videowatchdog.blogspot.com/2008_02_24_archive.html

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/the-devils.html

***edit Looks like I might be wrong about this, If you look at the colour promotional still on the Wikipedia site,this scene DOES occur,It's Sister Jeanne's hallucination sequence imagining Grandier as Christ,thus explaining the Arabs and Romans in the background***
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devils_(film)

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(http://thumbnails14.imagebam.com/9144/a8eb2b91432529.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/a8eb2b91432529)

(http://thumbnails10.imagebam.com/9144/94ea6691433396.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/94ea6691433396)

-Mark Kermode's video blog [Aug 2008] claims that Warner US has 'got cold feet' about this release and are preventing It from being released.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/markkermode/2008/08/opinion_the_devils_across_the.html

-Don May JR [Synapse Films] tries to licence the film for a US DVD release,but is told 'Warner doesn't sublicense their titles to outside companies and likes to keep everything "in house".' [This takes part sometime in 2008 according to Don's post]
http://www.avmaniacs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45864

-online petition is launched
http://www.petitiononline.com/Grandier/petition.html

-Roy Baird [associate producer] of the film passes away [26th April 2010]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/film-obituaries/7773100/Roy-Baird.html

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0047919/

-Screened at the Fantasia Film Festival [July 2010] [Warner Bros very uncooperative]
Just to give you an idea of how difficult Warner Bros. is making it to see this film.At the Fantasia Film Festival currently happening in Montreal, the organizers presented a lifetime achievement award to Ken Russell along with a screening of "The Devils." Prior to the screening, one of the organizers recounted how the screening almost didn't happen. The original plan by the organizers was to import a 35mm print from France, but Warner Bros. said they wouldn't allow it and that any print screened had to be from Canada. Unfortunately, the only print in Canada is incredibly damaged and nearly faded to red. The organizers then asked Warner Bros. if they could have a print from the U.S. shipped. WB again said no, and that the print shown had to be the "Canadian theatrical version" (which is the same as the US, but WB insisted they were different). Finally, after begging and have others call on their behalf, WB finally agreed to send a video master to screen --- but not of the restored version, it was the theatrical cut.So yeah, don't hold your breath for this appear uncut on DVD anytime soon.
http://www.criterionforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=294702

-'The Devils' available as an I-Tunes download [June 2010] [UK theatrical version NOT the restored version,but in It's 2.35:1 widescreen ratio for the first time,so this MUST have come from Warner Bros]
http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2010/06/devils_on_my_ph.php

-'The Devils' taken down from I-Tunes in a matter of days

-Screening at Lincoln center,NY [30th July 2010] is attended by Ken Russell and Vanessa Redgrave [Warner Bros do not allow the advertised 111 min restored version to be screened,instead the US theatrical print Is shown]
http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2010/07/slight_russsell.php

-Spanish DVD advertised by various Spanish etailers [July 2010] [details not confirmed]
available from these Spanish e-vendors;
http://www.starscafe.com/en/movie/the-devils-spanish.aspx
http://www.dvdgo.com/dvd-los-demonios-dvd/1772203/154275
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: drmiaow on 02 Aug 2010 - 21:46

Those are really interesting posts Medway - thank you.

Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: pricey on 03 Aug 2010 - 08:18

Those are really interesting posts Medway - thank you.


I'll second that. Re-releasing this film would be profitable for Warner Bros no doubt (especially with Kermode's endorsement, which is on a par with his Exorcist obsession), so it's clear that they still think the film is incendiary, or at least thats how its coming across. Ironic that Spain (a country not exactly famed for it's apathy towards Catholicism) may be the first place to release the film on DVD.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: medway garage on 03 Aug 2010 - 10:02
Thanks for the feedback, I'll try and keep this timeline as factual as possible.I've uncovered some sad news in the course of my research, an obituary for Roy Baird [associate producer],never heard about this at the time.I've removed the reference to Warner sublicensing their titles to other companies pending a bit more research, I seem to recall Warner Bros sublicensing the Directors Cut of Natural Born Killers, was that film not owned wholly by Warner, I know in the UK you could buy the cut theatrical version on dvd by Warner and the Directors Cut on a different label [VCI I believe],again It could well be a case that Warner doesn't own the directors cut.

I came across this little gem from iainfisher.com,details of some of the footage Mark Kermode never found! including one jaw dropping scene which could have been nearly as controversial as the 'rape of Christ' scene !

http://www.iainfisher.com/dis/index.php?topic=10538.0
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Mark GW on 03 Aug 2010 - 13:46
'Hell On Earth' documentary screened [ch 4 UK] 2002

-'The Devils' restored video restoration screened at NFT,London Nov 2004.

-Ken Russell records commentary for the UK DVD release [sometime in 2004,after the NFT screening]

-'The Devils' restored UK and US Dvd annouced [200?] and listed on UK etailer sites such as Play.com.Listed extras included a commentary w/Russell and a longer cut of the 'Hell On Earth' doc

-Release cancelled



I seem to remember that Play had a Special Edition DVD with a commentary and the HELL ON EARTH documentary up for pre-order not long after it was shown on Channel 4.  This discussion about it in the DVD Times forums at the time confirms it was on pre-order during 2003 with a scheduled release for July that year:

http://forums.thedigitalfix.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=201663

I seem to remember that the commentary was recorded BEFORE the NFT showing in Nov 2004, probably sometime in 2003 which would tie in with the then planned July 2003 DVD release.

To anyone who's interested, Mark Kermode's Sight and Sound article about the HELL ON EARTH documentary is online and can be found here:

http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/feature/81/
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: medway garage on 03 Aug 2010 - 15:22
Mark thanks alot for the information,that fills in a few blanks, I couldn't quite place when the UK DVD was originally listed, so that's really helpful.Nearly 10 years jeez that's got to be some kind of record for a delayed DVD !
I'll update the info on here and Dvdmaniacs.net in the next few minutes.Cheers for the info !
One more thing I noticed after I updated the timeline;

-'The Devils' restored video restoration screened at NFT,London Nov 2004.[Ken Russell and Mark Kermode in attendance]

-DVD Release cancelled

Can anyone supply a date for the cancellation,I seem to recall It was on preorder for over 6 months, was It cancelled before the NFT screening or after ?
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 03 Aug 2010 - 15:38
I seem to recall Warner Bros sublicensing the Directors Cut of Natural Born Killers, was that film not owned wholly by Warner, I know in the UK you could buy the cut theatrical version on dvd by Warner and the Directors Cut on a different label [VCI I believe]

The director's cut of NBK was released by Optimum in the UK. Initially when it was released in the US on video it was released by Vidmark - I believe there was something in Oliver Stone's contract that a director's cut was to be released but Warners gibbed out on it and Stone was allowed to take it elsewhere.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: medway garage on 03 Aug 2010 - 15:46
I seem to recall Warner Bros sublicensing the Directors Cut of Natural Born Killers, was that film not owned wholly by Warner, I know in the UK you could buy the cut theatrical version on dvd by Warner and the Directors Cut on a different label [VCI I believe]

The director's cut of NBK was released by Optimum in the UK. Initially when it was released in the US on video it was released by Vidmark - I believe there was something in Oliver Stone's contract that a director's cut was to be released but Warners gibbed out on it and Stone was allowed to take it elsewhere.

Thanks Kevin, I went back and updated my post on Dvdmaniacs,forgot to do It on here though.Even the original US DC DVD was released by Lions Gate [not Warner],Warner had a problem with US X rated [NC17] material at the time,Eyes Wide Shut suffered from censorship on It's original US DVD release as well,to avoid that dreaded rating !
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Mark GW on 03 Aug 2010 - 16:45
-'The Devils' restored [?] UK and US [?] Dvd announced [Release date July 2003] listed as a preorder on UK etailer sites such as Play.com.Listed extras included a commentary w/Russell and a longer cut of the 'Hell On Earth' doc

A longer cut of the documentary?  Are you sure about this?
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: medway garage on 03 Aug 2010 - 17:22
-'The Devils' restored [?] UK and US [?] Dvd announced [Release date July 2003] listed as a preorder on UK etailer sites such as Play.com.Listed extras included a commentary w/Russell and a longer cut of the 'Hell On Earth' doc

A longer cut of the documentary?  Are you sure about this?

If It wasn't listed that way on the Play.com listing,It may have been mentioned by Mark Kermode on the Film Four website,I'm 99.9% sure It was,It would also follow the pattern of other docs being extended for the DVD releases such as the 'Fear Of God' [Exorcist doc].
Now where Is that 'Man Trap;Making Straw Dogs' doc,hope that makes the UK Blu Ray,SD rerelease later this year.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Mark GW on 04 Aug 2010 - 12:30
If It wasn't listed that way on the Play.com listing,It may have been mentioned by Mark Kermode on the Film Four website,I'm 99.9% sure It was,It would also follow the pattern of other docs being extended for the DVD releases such as the 'Fear Of God' [Exorcist doc].
Now where Is that 'Man Trap;Making Straw Dogs' doc,hope that makes the UK Blu Ray,SD rerelease later this year.

Ah OK.  On the Straw Dogs documentary, I assumed this had been released on one of the other previous Straw Dogs DVD releases but apparently it has not.  Hopefully, it will make this new release, unlike his Blade Runner doc which got pulled from the Final Cut boxset.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: TheDuke on 04 Aug 2010 - 13:02
This fascinating reading, thanks so much for all the info.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: medway garage on 04 Aug 2010 - 15:59
This fascinating reading, thanks so much for all the info.

Thanks for the feedback,I've just fixed all the links on the timeline so It should all now be working [fingers crossed !]
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Mark GW on 06 Aug 2010 - 12:36
From the Savage Messiah: Ken Russell forum:

http://iainfisher.com/dis/index.php?PHPSESSID=979d2df76235b2a92b25ac57232c0ba1&topic=11456.0

"I got it. It arrived today.

First things first. The rape of Christ sequence is missing. Sadly. Sad
However the picture is in rather fine quality despite the fact there's no 16:9 enhancement. But we do get the theatrical aspect ratio on this disc.
You can choose the English or Spanish language track and threre are removable spanish subtitles included. No extras. Not even a theatrical trailer."

"Ah, now I know. The spanish DVD is slightly longer than 103 minutes. And it's a PAL DVD."

At least it's fully scoped.  Not clear how complete the print is yet.  However, the BBFC lists the abomination that is the 1988 video release (US edit) as 103m 40s (the later release as part of the Maverick Directors collection which is the one currently shown on UK TV has a listed runtime of 106m 41s).

So it looks like it could be the heavily cut US version.


Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: medway garage on 06 Aug 2010 - 13:08
From the Savage Messiah: Ken Russell forum:

[url]http://iainfisher.com/dis/index.php?PHPSESSID=979d2df76235b2a92b25ac57232c0ba1&topic=11456.0[/url]

"I got it. It arrived today.

First things first. The rape of Christ sequence is missing. Sadly. Sad
However the picture is in rather fine quality despite the fact there's no 16:9 enhancement. But we do get the theatrical aspect ratio on this disc.
You can choose the English or Spanish language track and threre are removable spanish subtitles included. No extras. Not even a theatrical trailer."

"Ah, now I know. The spanish DVD is slightly longer than 103 minutes. And it's a PAL DVD."

At least it's fully scoped.  No clear yet how complete the print is yet.  However, the BBFC lists the abomination that is the 1988 video release (US edit) as 103m 40s (the later release as part of the Maverick Directors collection which is the one currently shown on UK TV has a listed runtime of 106m 41s).

So it looks like it could be the heavily cut US version.





That is truly disapointing and with that running time, It sounds like this might be the US cut theatrical version [thus not making a fanedit viable].Here's some info I posted on Dvdmaniacs regarding the various versions;

Running time in PAL for the BBFC aproved UK theatrical cut should be 106m 41s [this version was submited to the BBFC in 1997 for video release and was the longest available until the Angel Digital bootleg ,which added two scenes from the Hell On Earth doc]

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/BVF023919

*Missing from the BBFC version 'Mark Kermode recovered scenes-Rape Of Christ/Sister Jeanne with bone + some others shown briefly in the doc.Also missing is footage from the torture scenes and the notorious sh*t on the altar,approx 89 secs of BBFC cuts according to Mark Kermode*

Here's some info from Wayne at iainfisher.com;

http://www.iainfisher.com/dis/index.php?topic=10538.0

QUOTE;'I believe they found everything that was missing bar the tiny trims. The tiny trims made to the film were very likely binned at the time as they were so slight that reintegrating them into a version of the film at a later time would have been too messy to do and even if achieved would have looked awful. The main trims i can think of were to the leg-breaking of Grandier. This sequence was cut, then trimmed some more...trimmed some more...and some more...literally removing frames of film at one point. So, chances of ever seeing that footage materialise is very likely beyond all hope now...
The only other footage i can recall that was cut that was not mentioned in the documentary as being found in that can of footage was the defecation on the altar during the "public exorcism". There was footage cut that showed the "sh*t on the altar" as Russell termed it and i am guessing that this was not dwelled upon but rather shown for a second or two at the very most. If that was the case, then that would explain why that cut has not been spoken of as available for restoration amongst the found footage as it would no doubt have suffered a similar fate to the near-subliminal trims the Grandier leg-breaking endured. We are talking maybe one second of "sh*t on the altar" and a second or 2 of Grandier's legs being pulped (which, as i say, was demolished almost frame-by-frame)...
But, like you point out, the majority of the cut footage has been found now and is ripe for restoration. The missing few seconds will not really cause much grief amongst fans once they see a restored version materialise, but it IS sad that these tiny fragments are probably lost to time now and that, somewhat frustratingly, Russell's film will never be QUITE the full original vision!
What we have officially available on video (UK edition at least) is around 95% complete. A restoration using the found footage will ensure we get a 99.9% restored edit that will be, for most intents and purposes, the "director's cut" that Russell and all of us have been wanting to see for so long...'



The US VHS/LD release suffered from further cuts including reframing sequences to remove pubic hair [never seen this version,that must have been a quite a job, as there's lots on display ! So If anyone who's got this version can give further details]

Just to complicate matters further the version on iTunes runs just over 108 mins, has anyone compared the torture sequences ,Just in case, although It's highly unlikely as they are thought to be lost forever ! *OR is this just the US theatrical version in It's NTSC speed ?*
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: pricey on 08 Aug 2010 - 16:29
This thread made me re-watch 'The Devils' again (hadn't seen it for quite a long while), and it truly is an incredible movie. I was even a bit wobbly chinned, and teary at the end. Powerful stuff. Unbelievable that this bona fide classic is such a bitch to find in a decent DVD version.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Mark GW on 03 Sep 2010 - 12:22
Has anyone who ordered this from Starscafe got theirs yet?
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: fdsmedia on 03 Sep 2010 - 12:29
I got this mail 3 weeks ago, after that - nothing...  :-*

"Dear Magnus

We would like to inform you that your order is suffering a delay against our will.
Where trying our best for you to receive it as soon as possible."
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 03 Sep 2010 - 12:37
I got this mail 3 weeks ago, after that - nothing...  :-*

"Dear Magnus

We would like to inform you that your order is suffering a delay against our will.
Where trying our best for you to receive it as soon as possible."


Same here. shower of shite. Makes you wonder if this is a legitimate release, eh? Surely if it was released by Warner they would have rpessed nough to sate initial demand, and if not would have had another pressing done straight away. It's now 5 weeks since the release date!

Has anyone actually seen one of these?
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 03 Sep 2010 - 12:55
Has anyone actually seen one of these?
post #10

http://www.cult-labs.com/forums/dvd-news/3342-devils-ken-russell-1971-released-spain.html
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 03 Sep 2010 - 13:01
Has anyone actually seen one of these?
post #10

[url]http://www.cult-labs.com/forums/dvd-news/3342-devils-ken-russell-1971-released-spain.html[/url]


Cheers.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Mark GW on 07 Sep 2010 - 09:34
I got this mail 3 weeks ago, after that - nothing...  :-*

"Dear Magnus

We would like to inform you that your order is suffering a delay against our will.
Where trying our best for you to receive it as soon as possible."


I had the same gobbledygook Babelfish translation e-mail and now I'm bombarded with their lovely spam.  Not impressed.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: fdsmedia on 07 Sep 2010 - 09:41
I have ordered from Stars Café several times before and have always been satisfied...
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Mark GW on 07 Sep 2010 - 11:43
I have ordered from Stars Café several times before and have always been satisfied...

Well, that's encouraging.  It would be nice if they could keep us informed, even if it's a no change status update.  I've heard diddly from them since that e-mail.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 07 Sep 2010 - 12:11
I have ordered from Stars Café several times before and have always been satisfied...

Well, that's encouraging.  It would be nice if they could keep us informed, even if it's a no change status update.  I've heard diddly from them since that e-mail.

I would guess that they're in the same boat as us and it is the manufacturer that's the problem here. It's still bloody frustrating though.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 07 Sep 2010 - 12:42
We spoke too soon!

Just had this:

Dear (a) Paul

I confirm that your order No. 106 787 is ready and will be sent in the next few hours.

This is the content of your order:

Articles
DEMONS DVD 1 € 15.25
Discounts and special offers
Total discounted € -0.46
Total items € 14.79
 
Shipping method chosen: Post € 6.75

 
Total € 21.54

 
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Mark GW on 15 Sep 2010 - 13:17
At last.  Mine popped through the door yesterday.  I'll try and have a look at it in the next couple of days.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 19 Jul 2011 - 16:55
There's also a Korean release - Aarron put me onto an eBay seller who had it in stock - same as the Spanish release albeit NTSC. I'm only going by the back of pack running time but when you consider that and the fact it's letterboxed widescreen it's a sure bet that it is the R-rated edit. The coverart, incidentally, is that which was circulated at the time of the rumoured US release (see page 1 of this thread).
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 19 Jul 2011 - 17:03
There's also a Korean release - Aarron put me onto an eBay seller who had it in stock.
When I got some money in my paypal I went to get it but alas they were gone, hopefully they will get some more in.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Jonny on 10 Nov 2011 - 18:22
To be released March 19th 2012 by BFI...

http://www.moviemail-online.co.uk/film/dvd/The-Devils/
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 10 Nov 2011 - 19:09
To be released March 19th 2012 by BFI...

[url]http://www.moviemail-online.co.uk/film/dvd/The-Devils/[/url]
::)
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: the blob on 10 Nov 2011 - 20:30
You know, I should be happy but with the BFI releasing it, now I'm feeling greedy and wanting a Blu-ray!

If it's the full version, wasn't it properly restored for it's screening before? If so, surely the materials are good enough.

I'll buy it gladly if it's DVD only though.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: the blob on 10 Nov 2011 - 20:54
A little further investigation and it's the original Theatrical version, so not the more recent reconstruction. Also, seems the DVD only decision was out of the BFI's hands...
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Jonny on 11 Nov 2011 - 10:50
Specs...

Quote
The Devils (Special Edition)

In seventeenth-century France, a promiscuous and divisive local priest, Urbain Grandier (Oliver Reed), uses his powers to protect the city of Loudon from destruction at the hands of the establishment. Soon, he stands accused of the demonic possession of Sister Jeanne (Vanessa Redgrave), whose erotic obsession with him fuels the hysterical fervour that sweeps through the convent.

With its bold and brilliant direction by Ken Russell, magnificent performances by Oliver Reed and Vanessa Redgrave, exquisite Derek Jarman sets and sublimely dissonant score by Sir Peter Maxwell Davies, The Devils stands as a profound and sincere commentary on religious hysteria, political persecution and the corrupt marriage of church and state.

Finally available on DVD for the first time, The Devils is presented in the original UK ‘X’ certificate version with a host of new and exciting extra features.

Special features*
• DVD premiere presentation of the original UK ‘X’ certificate version
• Newly filmed introduction with director Ken Russell
• Audio commentary with Ken Russell, Mark Kermode, Mike Bradsell and Paul Joyce
• Hell on Earth (Paul Joyce, 2002, 48 mins): documentary exploring the film's production and the controversy surrounding its original release
• Director of the Devils (1971, 21 min): documentary featuring candid Ken Russell interviews and unique footage of Sir Peter Maxwell Davies recording his celebrated film score
• Original on-set footage with commentary by editor Mike Bradsell
• Amelia and the Angel (Ken Russell, 1958, 30 mins): Ken Russell's short film, a delightful mix of religious allegory and magical fantasy
• Original UK trailer
• Original US trailer
• Fully illustrated booklet featuring new essays and notes from Mark Kermode, Craig Lapper (BBFC), Sam Ashby and others

* Special features are subject to change


http://criterionforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=11778
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 11 Nov 2011 - 10:53

• Audio commentary with Ken Russell, Mark Kermode, Mike Bradsell and Paul Joyce

• Fully illustrated booklet featuring new essays and notes from Mark Kermode, Craig Lapper (BBFC), Sam Ashby and others

Fuck's sake.  :-[
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 11 Nov 2011 - 12:49
What did you expect? He's almost as obsessed with this as he is The Exorcist.

Great line up of extras - Hell on Earth is a cracking doc.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 11 Nov 2011 - 12:52
Let us hope they are separate audio commentaries.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 11 Nov 2011 - 12:59
Let us hope they are separate audio commentaries.

I know you hate him (and let's face it, there aren't many who aren't aware of your disliking for the bequiffed one) but he's probably the reason why this release is coming.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: the blob on 11 Nov 2011 - 13:39

• Audio commentary with Ken Russell, Mark Kermode, Mike Bradsell and Paul Joyce

• Fully illustrated booklet featuring new essays and notes from Mark Kermode, Craig Lapper (BBFC), Sam Ashby and others

Fuck's sake.  :-[

Are you going to get him to sign the DVD?
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: gnorthcott on 11 Nov 2011 - 20:06

• Audio commentary with Ken Russell, Mark Kermode, Mike Bradsell and Paul Joyce

• Fully illustrated booklet featuring new essays and notes from Mark Kermode, Craig Lapper (BBFC), Sam Ashby and others

Fuck's sake.  :-[


Are you going to get him to sign the DVD?


I heard cult labs will be promoting this dvd arron  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 11 Nov 2011 - 22:30
And the bfi has managed to a restore a long lost scene in which Wings Hauser appears.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: gnorthcott on 12 Nov 2011 - 14:18
 ;D
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 13 Nov 2011 - 13:05
And the bfi has managed to a restore a long lost scene in which Wings Hauser appears.
hahaaha  :-\
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Mark GW on 23 Mar 2012 - 12:26
Well my BFI DVD is supposedly on its way.  Anyone here got one yet.  Here's hoping the disc quality will be pantwettingly good.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 23 Mar 2012 - 14:45
Well my BFI DVD is supposedly on its way.  Anyone here got one yet.  Here's hoping the disc quality will be pantwettingly good.
I got in on monday, the print is absolutely fantastic.
Title: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: demented_uk on 23 Mar 2012 - 18:22
Mine came on Wednesday, looking forward to checking it out this weekend. It looks to be a great package.

Tanzi, did you watch the film with the Kermode introduction? ;)
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 23 Mar 2012 - 18:42
Tanzi, did you watch the film with the Kermode introduction? ;)
It asks if you want to or not before it starts. I declined  :-\
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 23 Mar 2012 - 18:45
(http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/spara73/spara2/910XTywuDIL.jpg)
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Post by: Jonny on 23 Mar 2012 - 18:52
([url]http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/spara73/spara2/910XTywuDIL.jpg[/url])


You can't deny that's a worthy quote from Kermode on the cover there. Can you?
Title: Re: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 23 Mar 2012 - 19:07
You can't deny that's a worthy quote from Kermode on the cover there. Can you?
It is worthy but any of us could have said it. Probably made him feel extremely important to have his name on the cover, if fact it tarnishes it but what can you do  ;D

I'm not giving him any respect because he praises a film I so happen to like a lot, I still think he's a cunt.
Title: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 23 Mar 2012 - 20:54
I mentioned it in the Watched thread already but I watched mine on Tuesday. A massive leap forward from the Spanish disc picture quality-wise, first time for me seeing UK X-rated print too.
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Post by: gnorthcott on 23 Mar 2012 - 21:15
Yeah its a great set,was the first time i saw the film and its pretty cool.Tanzi how come you dont like mark kermode? and is there anybody you do like ?  ;D
Title: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Paul on 23 Mar 2012 - 21:51
Tanzi likes his mum and dad. End of list.
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 23 Mar 2012 - 22:23
Tanzi how come you dont like mark kermode?
I've been asked and told many times. It's on here somewhere. Paul can tell the story better anyway as he was there with me.
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Post by: Mark GW on 25 Mar 2012 - 19:28
Got mine now.  It really is a thing of beauty!!  The commentary also sounds like a good 'un.  Here are some screen shots to wet the appetite:

(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/151/thedevils1.png)
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/923/thedevils2.png)
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5629/thedevils3.png)
(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/2673/thedevils5.png)
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2927/thedevils6.png)
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Post by: imaginaryforces on 19 Apr 2012 - 16:11
I have yet to get this. I remember seeing a version on BBC2, I think, many years ago which if I remember correctly included the 'Rape of Christ' scene. Perhaps I am wrong and memory has distorted over the years but I am almost certain that it was way less cut than other versions I have seen since. I may still have it on a VHS somewhere.
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Post by: Paul on 23 Apr 2012 - 17:20
The full version did not screen on TV. However, the X-rated print did screen at the same time as the Kermode doco HELL ON EARTH and the latter featured both the 'Rape of Christ' sequence and the one in which Redgrave gives herself a frigging with Ollie's femur, in 2002, I think. Pretty sure I heard that the Kermode doco was cut at the insistence of WB before it could be used on the BFI DVD but I've not checked mine so cannot confirm.

The greymarket Alfadigital release (which is mastered from the widescreen VHS) does contain the additional scenes crudely added in and the uncut version of the Kermode documentary.
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Post by: imaginaryforces on 24 Apr 2012 - 10:34
The full version did not screen on TV. However, the X-rated print did screen at the same time as the Kermode doco HELL ON EARTH and the latter featured both the 'Rape of Christ' sequence and the one in which Redgrave gives herself a frigging with Ollie's femur, in 2002, I think. Pretty sure I heard that the Kermode doco was cut at the insistence of WB before it could be used on the BFI DVD but I've not checked mine so cannot confirm.

The greymarket Alfadigital release (which is mastered from the widescreen VHS) does contain the additional scenes crudely added in and the uncut version of the Kermode documentary.

Ahh ok. That is probably it then. I remember the "frigging" scene. It was quite some time ago now so my memory is hazy at best.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: imaginaryforces on 01 Jun 2012 - 00:30
I finally picked up the dvd the other day but have still yet to watch it.
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Post by: Loukol on 17 Jun 2012 - 19:10
I finally picked up the dvd the other day but have still yet to watch it.


One of the best releases of the year.
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Post by: imaginaryforces on 09 Aug 2012 - 19:14
Finally watched it again, and it is still an amazing film. I have to say though that I certainly have seen a version with the rape of Christ included in it and I also recall her a scene where you can see Vanessa Redgrave from behind apparently frigging herself with the charred bone of Grandier, I am sure of it, and my girlfriend remembers watching it too. We remembered where the scenes should be as we were watching it.

I seem to recall that I had recorded it off the TV but unfortunately I only have a couple of VHS left and none of them have The Devils on them. I hadn't seen the documentary before this DVD and the scenes seem to have been cut from the DVD. Is it possible that the BBC have a longer cut and this was aired some years ago?
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Post by: babybreese on 09 Aug 2012 - 22:27
You are describing the LFVW boot which took the BBC tv broadcast and cut in those 2 sequences culled from the HELL ON EARTH doc.  That's the only place those 2 bits have been re inserted into the body of the film.
It's discussed a few posts above ^
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: imaginaryforces on 10 Aug 2012 - 12:09
I am pretty sure I am talking about the Forbidden BBC 2 screening as I remember seeing it on the TV as it aired. I do wish I hadn't chimed in now as you all seem to think I am delusional. Ha! Oh well.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 10 Aug 2012 - 17:27
We don't think you're delusional.....  :-*
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Post by: medway garage on 14 Aug 2012 - 11:15
Unfortunately apart from a few select special screenings at cinemas the [near] directors cut has not been seen on TV, i was lucky enough to see it on the big screen earlier this year on 19th March at the BFI South Bank,London.......incredible ! This version included the 'Rape of Christ' and the short extention to the 'Bone' scene.

(http://i.imgbox.com/aalUgAkg)

in attendence for the Q&A [from left to right] Gemma Jones [Madeleine],Georgina Hale [Philippe],Dudley Sutton [Baron De Laubardemont],Murray Melvin [Father Mignon] and Michael Bradsell [Film editor].

My signed US One-Sheet
(http://i.imgbox.com/ackW9R2o.jpg)
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Post by: Petri on 21 Nov 2012 - 07:06
Yesterday I watched this totally amazing film. I didn't even realise that the film would be this powerful. The story is superb and shows the absurdity of that time. When you were accused of witchcraft there really weren't anything you could do. Politics were the reason for these totally insane acts. How much of this is real, I really have to find out. The character of Father Grandier was great, just like sister Jeanne and Father Pierre Barre.

The surroundings of the film were weird, futuristic maybe, but it worked like a charm. The feel of the world was something similar to Clockwork Orange. This is one those rare movies that every actor does amazing job. Especially Oliver Reed who does the best performance of his life!

This is definitely one of the best and influential I have ever seen.
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: quidtum on 16 Mar 2017 - 22:02
Anyone can check the version available on Shudder?
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In recent years, a 109-minuted unrated U.S. version of the film has been touring repertory theaters and film festivals around the world, but until this morning, it was entirely unavailable on streaming services

http://www.avclub.com/article/ken-russells-banned-masterpiece-devils-makes-surpr-252125 (http://www.avclub.com/article/ken-russells-banned-masterpiece-devils-makes-surpr-252125)
Title: Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
Post by: babybreese on 27 Mar 2017 - 21:16
This is the old R rated cut ( also on VHS ), nothing new here.
Shudder falsely promoted the whole thing.