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Title: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Ben Cobb on 07 May 2008 - 18:32
Just saw a new DVD of this lightweight but enjoyable Fulci western over at Kult Video. Here's the link:
http://www.kultvideo.com/scheda.asp?item=19003&type=DVD&key=2 (http://www.kultvideo.com/scheda.asp?item=19003&type=DVD&key=2)

Also pleased to see that Franco Cleef has got to work on a disc of Fulci's White Fang. It's for sale over at Xpolited. Will have to get a copy of this - never seen it.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Gary B. on 08 May 2008 - 05:23
I may just have to grab this one just to see the film in it's 2.35:1 aspect ratio.  I've only seen fullscreen vhs transfers, so I'm sure seeing it this way will only improve the film.  also, you gotta love the soundtrack!  lighthearted folk rock that's a good companion to the Four of the Apocalypse soundtrack.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: magnus on 08 May 2008 - 07:18
the ending of Silver saddle must be one of Fulcis silliest moments! (including all the Franco & Ciccio stupidity)
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: paperbag on 09 May 2008 - 03:47
lighthearted folk rock that's a good companion to the Four of the Apocalypse soundtrack.

Wow, I can't wait to see it now
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 09 May 2008 - 08:37
I think SILVER SADDLE gets bad press, i find it enjoyable to view ::)
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Ben Cobb on 10 May 2008 - 11:05
I like it too Tanzi. And I'm with you about the soundtrack Gary B. Just wish the new DVD had English options - perhaps someone here can rectify that?
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: ddmichael on 15 May 2008 - 21:23
IMO great film until the kid appears...but that song will stay with you for days "Silver Saddle shining in the sun..."
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 15 May 2008 - 21:31
I've got a cd of the soundtrack ::)
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: drmiaow on 06 Nov 2008 - 14:14
I just got round to watching WHITE FANG the other day, and now I'm thinking about SILVER SADDLE. Does anyone know if there's a fandub of the DVD out there?
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Gary B. on 06 Nov 2008 - 19:03
I've got a fullscreen transfer from a Greek (I think?) tape with english audio and burned in subs.  I hear Koch is going to release eventually though w/ english subs?
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 07 Nov 2008 - 00:21
and now I'm thinking about SILVER SADDLE. Does anyone know if there's a fandub of the DVD out there?
I think i read somewhere that it's coming out in Germany on Koch.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: djvaso on 21 Dec 2008 - 15:17
Silbersattel (Koch Media Western Collection #14) is announced for 27.03.2009.
Koch Media (http://www.kochmedia-dvd.com/?rid=633552545019339958198413)
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Canisius on 21 Dec 2008 - 19:57
As far as I remember "Silver Saddle" was a major letdown for my tastes, I've to confess that I've never been a big Gemma fan...maybe I should watch it again, I don't know.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Federico on 13 Feb 2009 - 10:50
The extra features for this Koch media dvd will be:

- a featurette with composer Fabio Frizzi (23 minutes)
- a featurete with editor Bruno Micheli (25 minutes)

+ poster gallery and trailer
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Ben Cobb on 18 Feb 2009 - 17:30
Really looking forward to the Koch disc.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Federico on 09 Mar 2009 - 09:43
Screenshots from the 2 featurettes:

(http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/fedecad/fabiok1.jpg?t=1236595335)

(http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/fedecad/fabiok2.jpg?t=1236595352)

(http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/fedecad/bruno1_cr.jpg?t=1236595373)

(http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/fedecad/bruno2_cr.jpg?t=1236595385)
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: prospero on 30 Mar 2009 - 14:03
watched the Koch disc on the weekend. nice movie with some serious flaws, though. the landscape photography was awesome and so is the image quality of the Koch DVD! hated the child actor, though.
but what REALLY put me off was the abysmally awful soundtrack. I mean, this is torture!
I absolutely hate the seventies-softrock-pop-folk-country hybrid, and this soundtrack has got to be one of the worst examples of this abhorred genre. Gawd, how often can you use ONE song during a movie? it felt as if it was coming up every three minutes, and it being a really ugly song didn't help either. I really had to turn down the audio some fifty times to be able to enjoy the landscape shots.

having said that, fans of CSN and Joan Baez will probably enjoy the music, I assume.

And yes, that ending is really embarrassing.

If Four of the Apocalypse comes with similar aural atrocities, I think I'll pass.
 
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Paul on 30 Mar 2009 - 15:15
Does it have English subs or dubbing, Prospero?
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 30 Mar 2009 - 15:32
A lot of people seem to trash this film, i find it more enjoyable than FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE but not as good as MASSACRE TIME.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: prospero on 30 Mar 2009 - 15:39
Does it have English subs or dubbing, Prospero?
it has the English dub, along with the Italian and German dubs. I'll have to check for the subs.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: prospero on 30 Mar 2009 - 15:45
A lot of people seem to trash this film
actually I didn't mean to! I found the film as such pretty solid and enjoyable, though not exactly remarkable.
it's the music that put me off. but that probably depends on your taste.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Gary B. on 30 Mar 2009 - 15:48
Mine shipped on Saturday from amazon.de

I love the ending, makes me laugh out loud every time!  As for FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE, it's my all time favorite Fulci film, and one of my favorite films in general.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Michael Blanton on 30 Mar 2009 - 16:02
Mine shipped on Saturday from amazon.de

I love the ending, makes me laugh out loud every time!  As for FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE, it's my all time favorite Fulci film, and one of my favorite films in general.

Mine shipped today along with both RINGO films and A BULLET FOR THE GENERAL.

YeeHah! :-X
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: paperbag on 30 Mar 2009 - 16:16
As for FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE, it's my all time favorite Fulci film, and one of my favorite films in general.

Yeah me too, i'm amazed some people can hate it as much as they do, I think it's genius.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 30 Mar 2009 - 16:23
As for FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE, it's my all time favorite Fulci film, and one of my favorite films in general.

Yeah me too, i'm amazed some people can hate it as much as they do, I think it's genius.
I like it, i just prefer Fulci's two other westerns more :D
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Gary B. on 30 Mar 2009 - 16:35
on a side note about FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE, I was watching CITY OF THE LIVING DEAD last night and noticed in the bar scenes, the song 'Movin' On' is playing very quietly in the background!
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: paperbag on 30 Mar 2009 - 16:52
As for FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE, it's my all time favorite Fulci film, and one of my favorite films in general.

Yeah me too, i'm amazed some people can hate it as much as they do, I think it's genius.
I like it, i just prefer Fulci's two other westerns more :D

Yeah that's alright, I didn't mean you.

I prefer his last 2.. I like the emotional feeling in them, I found Four of the Apocalypse pretty deep and meaningful. Still like Massacre Time alot though.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Paul on 30 Mar 2009 - 17:11
Does it have English subs or dubbing, Prospero?
it has the English dub, along with the Italian and German dubs. I'll have to check for the subs.

Cheers, Prospero  :-X
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Canisius on 30 Mar 2009 - 22:10
A lot of people seem to trash this film, i find it more enjoyable than FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE but not as good as MASSACRE TIME.

Yup, I was disappointed BIG TIME when I saw it a couple of years back and I agree that Massacre Time is Fulci's best Spaghetti BY FAR!! :)
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Paul on 31 Mar 2009 - 08:14
I've not seen SILVER SADDLE but from what I gather it's more of a comedy western than a traditional spaghetti, so I wasn't expecting it to be on a par with FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE and MASSACRE TIME anyway.  :-X
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: prospero on 31 Mar 2009 - 09:27
Does it have English subs or dubbing, Prospero?
it has the English dub, along with the Italian and German dubs. I'll have to check for the subs.

Cheers, Prospero  :-X

no English subs for the Italian audio on the Koch disc. Strange, since Sollima's "Run Man, Run" just came out as part of the same series, and this one has English subs along with English audio.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: paperbag on 31 Mar 2009 - 10:28
I've not seen SILVER SADDLE but from what I gather it's more of a comedy western than a traditional spaghetti, so I wasn't expecting it to be on a par with FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE and MASSACRE TIME anyway.  :-X

Nah it's not a comedy, though Geoffrey Lewis provides some comic relief. It's a pretty traditional revenge story, with impressive action scenes.. (Some gory bullet wounds as you'd expect from Fulci). And Gemma is perfect in the lead I think.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Canisius on 31 Mar 2009 - 18:45
In fact I don't remember that much details, only some übercheesy happy hippo children silliness that turned me off...will give it another chance pretty soon!
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 10 Jul 2009 - 19:26
German blu-ray coming out

horrible fucking cover though

http://shop.dtm.at/product_info.php?products_id=38382

(http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/spara73/silver.jpg)
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: djvaso on 27 Sep 2009 - 09:47
Koch Media will release it on blu-ray on 4th of December.
(http://www.abload.de/img/silbersattel131y.jpg)
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Funktion on 29 May 2010 - 16:47
Sorry for bumping this thread, but I was wondering if anyone picked up Koch's Blu-Ray release from Amazon.de and could confirm:
-is the film is uncut? (due to German laws several times Amazon sells cut releases, with uncut releases available elsewhere; it's confusing, and I never know how to tell if they are uncut or not before ordering something, so I end up missing on some releases with the "fear" of a cut release)
-is the BD any good? It's currently being sold quite cheap at Amazon.de, and since I was thinking about ordering something from there I was thinking about giving it a go.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Sundance on 29 May 2010 - 18:23
It should be uncut and I haven't heard anyone claiming otherwise (which of course doesn't mean anything.. ). And I think most of the problems with cut releases come from the fact that Amazon wasn't allowed to sell FSK18 rated titles at some point and so they had FSK16 rated versions of them for sale (which were cut down to get the FSK16 rating). But now if you see a title rated FSK18 for sale, like Silver Saddle is, there should not be any stronger version on the market on some other store because then it would illegal I guess. :-*

I think they may still be selling only FSK16 rated discs of some movies that may available longer at some other store.

As for the quality of the Silver Saddle Blu-Ray, it is better than the DVD and I'd say definitely worth it if you don't already own it. The DVD by Koch Media is actually pretty good even on a HD display, so if you have the DVD and don't think the movie is much good, then upgrade might not be worth it.
The Blu-Ray actually has two versions of the film, not different in length but filtering... If you start the movie from the main play button, you will get an abomination (in my opinion of course) that have had the grain (and detail) removed and looking quite bad because of it. A more faithful transfer to the original source can be found from the extras menu.

Oh and unless my software had some problems when I took caps from the discs, the Blu-Ray has some contrast problems that have destroyed some of the detail completely. I am annoyed by that but still feel the upgrade to BR is worth it.

Like I said, I have taken caps from the discs and they are available here http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/movies/silver-saddle-sella-dargento-silbersattel/screenshots/ (http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/movies/silver-saddle-sella-dargento-silbersattel/screenshots/) along with the opinions I already mentioned here. :-*
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Funktion on 29 May 2010 - 18:33
Thanks for your help, Sundance.  ;)
I was actually at your website earlier (pretty cool site, by the way), and I saw the specs there, but I didn't see the screenshots you linked to.
It actually looks pretty good (the unfiltered version that is). I'm buying it. It looks to be worth the 12€ or so that Amazon.de is charging for it.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Sundance on 29 May 2010 - 18:44
Glad to be able to help and thanks. :-X There is actually a link to the screenshots on the specs page, but obviously easy to miss. I should probably change the links on the pages so that visitors can actually see them. :-*
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: prospero on 01 Jun 2010 - 14:13
due to German laws several times Amazon sells cut releases, with uncut releases available elsewhere; it's confusing, and I never know how to tell if they are uncut or not before ordering something, so I end up missing on some releases with the "fear" of a cut release)

that's because amazon are only selling stuff that has been rated, i.e. received an OK by the German equivalent of the BBFC. Recently, they have begun to sell films that have an "18"-rating, but you have to make sure you're accepting the packet in person (with your ID ready) from the postman - if you live in Germany, that is. Don't know what they do with foreign orders.
The postage for 18-orders is also higher because of the complicated identification process.

it's all for the sake of our untainted youth....!
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: KommissarX on 01 Jun 2010 - 16:52
Don't know what they do with foreign orders. The postage for 18-orders is also higher because of the complicated identification process.
There is no such hassle with foreign orders and IIRC the normal postage prices apply. You will see the final price when you're checking out.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 02 Jun 2010 - 10:50

The postage for 18-orders is also higher because of the complicated identification process.

So that's why it tried to charge me more for postage, tried to charge me 7.60e (I think) to the U.K. instead of the usual 3 so I left it.

Shouldn't cost more for foreign orders should it.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: KommissarX on 02 Jun 2010 - 13:47
This is strange. I just looked up orders from several months ago: Whenever I got an 18+ dvd they did not charge me any additional costs and I had no costly age verification to undergo.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: prospero on 18 Jun 2010 - 11:55
This is strange. I just looked up orders from several months ago: Whenever I got an 18+ dvd they did not charge me any additional costs and I had no costly age verification to undergo.
in Germany, there are two diferent forms of 18-rating, I believe (one also indicates that the product may not be displayed openly in a store, etc).
Also, some DVDs have no rating at all, probably because the label wants to avoid the costs (having your products rated isn't free).
I never had any problems before when ordering from amazon.de until recently, when I wanted to order "Django - Ich will ihn tot" (Lo voglio morto ) by Bianchini, for which I was charged an extra EUR 5,-, and had to make sure I was able to receive the packet in person, with my ID-card ready.
Still, I assume this only applies to orders within Germany.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: djvaso on 18 Jun 2010 - 16:22
No problem for us outside EU  :P .
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9595/amazonorder1.th.jpg) (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/amazonorder1.jpg/)

Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: paperbag on 09 Apr 2011 - 05:25
One of the strangest Blu Ray releases, I was so annoyed when I first got it and saw how waxy everything looked, but luckily theres an extra that lets you add film grain, yet theres still less detail than the original Koch disc..

Koch DVD
(http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/screenshots/silbersattel-koch-media-dvd-1920-0h10m42s.jpg)

Blu-Ray
(http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/screenshots/silbersattel-koch-bluray-filtered-0h11m08s.jpg)

Blu-Ray- Film grain added as an extra
(http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/screenshots/silbersattel-koch-media-blu-ray-film-0h11m08s.jpg)

Heres other screenshots .. http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/movies/silver-saddle-sella-dargento-silbersattel/screenshots/
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Funktion on 09 Apr 2011 - 17:13
One of the strangest Blu Ray releases, I was so annoyed when I first got it and saw how waxy everything looked, but luckily theres an extra that lets you add film grain, yet theres still less detail than the original Koch disc..
An extra that lets you add film grain???

The film grain isn't an extra that is activated or not, what the disc does feature is 2 different transfers of the film, one with major DNR applied (which made it have an annoying "waxy" look, killing pretty much all detail on display) and another transfer, unfiltered, one with the film grain intact, which looks pretty good (I don't know what setup you used, but there's no way this second version has less detail than the Koch DVD; I didn't compare them side by side, but I own both, and this second version on the BD is easily superior to the transfer on the DVD).
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: paperbag on 09 Apr 2011 - 17:43
One of the strangest Blu Ray releases, I was so annoyed when I first got it and saw how waxy everything looked, but luckily theres an extra that lets you add film grain, yet theres still less detail than the original Koch disc..
An extra that lets you add film grain???

The film grain isn't an extra that is activated or not, what the disc does feature is 2 different transfers of the film, one with major DNR applied (which made it have an annoying "waxy" look, killing pretty much all detail on display) and another transfer, unfiltered, one with the film grain intact, which looks pretty good (I don't know what setup you used, but there's no way this second version has less detail than the Koch DVD; I didn't compare them side by side, but I own both, and this second version on the BD is easily superior to the transfer on the DVD).

Its hidden deep in the extras, I didn't even know I could change it until read it in that article..

Just looking at them side by side you can see from the blu-ray is sharper ofcourse, but the shadow on his clothes covers some of the detail that you can see on the DVD, its not bad at all though..

http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/screenshots/silbersattel-koch-media-blu-ray-film-0h11m08s.jpg

http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/screenshots/silbersattel-koch-media-dvd-1920-0h10m42s.jpg
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: WayneSmith on 21 Sep 2012 - 09:03
Koch Media will release it on blu-ray on 4th of December.
(http://www.abload.de/img/silbersattel131y.jpg)

I received this yesterday, and it doesn't work. Anyone else had problems with it?
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Mark (UK) on 14 Nov 2012 - 16:23
Just watched Silver Saddle (the Koch Blu) & really enjoyed it - I didn't even find the kid too annoying, which is very rare for me  :-\ Geoffrey Lewis rules  ::)
I wish that I had a Blu Ray drive on my PC, I'd love to rip that soundtrack.
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 14 Nov 2012 - 19:33
I wish that I had a Blu Ray drive on my PC, I'd love to rip that soundtrack.
There's an official CD Mark  :D
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Mark (UK) on 14 Nov 2012 - 19:54
I wish that I had a Blu Ray drive on my PC, I'd love to rip that soundtrack.
There's an official CD Mark  :D

Yeah, but I've already paid for the blu, & it has the full soundtrack as an extra, so if I could rip it, I wouldn't need to pay for the CD  :-\
Title: Re: Silver Saddle (Lucio Fulci, 1978)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 14 Nov 2012 - 19:58
I wish that I had a Blu Ray drive on my PC, I'd love to rip that soundtrack.
There's an official CD Mark  :D

Yeah, but I've already paid for the blu, & it has the full soundtrack as an extra, so if I could rip it, I wouldn't need to pay for the CD  :-\
I didn't even realise it had it on there! I got the CD before I got the Blu.