Euro Cult Movie Forum => Horror => Topic started by: drmiaow on 11 Jun 2008 - 21:36

Title: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: drmiaow on 11 Jun 2008 - 21:36
Has anybody seen this promising-sounding follow-up to DEATH LAID AN EGG? By all accounts it circulates as a so-so copy, in Italian only. 
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: drmiaow on 31 Jul 2008 - 09:02
I just caught a post at AV Maniacs... ARCANA will be screened "...in the longer version never shown in public" at this year's Venice Film Festival (27 August - 6 September) as part of the series These Phantoms: Italian Cinema Rediscovered (1946 – 1975).

http://www.labiennale.org/en/news/cinema/en/79688.html
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: Andrew Monroe on 31 Jul 2008 - 13:12
That same screening news is posted at Latarnia, along with a couple nice looking posters:

http://thelatarniaforums.yuku.com/topic/6179/t/Giulio-Questi-s-ARCANA.html

Probably best to take it with a grain of salt till we see it, but someone else there seems to think a dvd release in Italy is likely. I`d certainly like to see this one too.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: Ben Cobb on 31 Jul 2008 - 13:23
Always wanted to see this. Sounds promising as films "rediscovered" at Venice have a habit of popping up afterwards on DVD. Fingers crossed...
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: ecc on 31 Jul 2008 - 13:30
That same screening news is posted at Latarnia, along with a couple nice looking posters:

http://thelatarniaforums.yuku.com/topic/6179/t/Giulio-Questi-s-ARCANA.html

Probably best to take it with a grain of salt till we see it, but someone else there seems to think a dvd release in Italy is likely. I`d certainly like to see this one too.


It would seem inevitable if they went through the expense of restoring it that they would want to recoup some of that with DVD sales.

Always wanted to see this. Sounds promising as films "rediscovered" at Venice have a habit of popping up afterwards on DVD. Fingers crossed...

Yeah, Fulvio Lucisano's productions were restored for the Venice film festival and then popped up on DVD with that little Venezia logo on the front cover as well as STRANO VIZIO DELLA SIGNORA WARDH.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 08 Jul 2009 - 13:08
Managed to get myself a lbx copy of this recently from the 'Antenna Sud' tv broadcast (runtime 1h 24m) that doesn't look too bad,interesting little film which i thoroughly enjoyed but was quite different to DEATH LAID AN EGG and more supernatural horror than giallo,includes a very surreal scene of Lucia Bosé vomiting up live frogs that is simply unforgettable.Fingers crosssed we see a remastered dvd of this gem sometime soon,certainly more than deserves it.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: Jonny on 08 Jul 2009 - 13:39
Sounds great Stephen. Like ecc said it seems logical to put this out on DVD soon seeing as the restoration was paid for.

Look forward to seeing it.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: Ben Cobb on 08 Jul 2009 - 18:08
...a very surreal scene of Lucia Bosé vomiting up live frogs that is simply unforgettable...
Sounds genius!!!! Wish they would hurry up and get this out on DVD.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: Luca Canali on 21 Oct 2009 - 16:59
There's a 112 minute version which has recently popped up. Fair quality at best but watchable.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 21 Oct 2009 - 17:19
There's a 112 minute version which has recently popped up. Fair quality at best but watchable.
The TVR TeleItalia version?This shouldn't look too bad quality wise,is it from one of the torrent sites?
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: Luca Canali on 21 Oct 2009 - 17:41
There's a 112 minute version which has recently popped up. Fair quality at best but watchable.
The TVR TeleItalia version?This shouldn't look too bad quality wise,is it from one of the torrent sites?

I'm afraid it is a torrent mate. The sat logo has been cropped so I can't confirm the source, it should finish DL'ing this evening so I'll be able to provide a little more info in due course.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: Gary B. on 21 Oct 2009 - 19:13
This is great news!  This film has been on my wantlist forever...my fingers are crossed as well for a proper DVD release.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 21 Oct 2009 - 20:28
my fingers are crossed as well for a proper DVD release.
This and a cd of the wonderful soundtrack,the opening titles piece is something very special.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: Luca Canali on 21 Oct 2009 - 23:32
There's a 112 minute version which has recently popped up. Fair quality at best but watchable.
The TVR TeleItalia version?This shouldn't look too bad quality wise,is it from one of the torrent sites?

I'm afraid it is a torrent mate. The sat logo has been cropped so I can't confirm the source, it should finish DL'ing this evening so I'll be able to provide a little more info in due course.


I've just checked the print. Confirmed at 111:52 mins and appears to be uncut. I can also confirm that it's definitely the 'TVR TeleItalia' print. Bad news is that it's been encoded extremely badly and features some of the worst interlacing issues I've seen in a while which basically makes it quite unwatchable. If someone can manage to get their hands on a DVD-R of the broadcast and not the downgraded torrent, it'll definitely be watchable. Colours are faded and there's a blueish tint to the picture but I've got far far worse prints in my collection for sure.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: drmiaow on 22 Oct 2009 - 09:19

I don't suppose there's a fansubbed version floating around somewhere?

Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 22 Oct 2009 - 09:49
I can also confirm that it's definitely the 'TVR TeleItalia' print.
Thanks for the confirmation,was starting to wonder if another different edition had appeared.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: hipsterical on 02 Dec 2009 - 20:28
Luca can you please tell me where to find the torrent ? i have 3 copies of arcana, none of which is complete, the less cut one scoring 103 minutes and missing 15 seconds, tvrip from tvr teleitalia. please, please, please, PLEASE.

p.s. mr. Questi is not only alive and kicking, he's on Facebook too with two entries (fanclub and personal page).

love all
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: hipsterical on 13 Dec 2009 - 11:58
i am sorry to inform you all that this version of arcana isn't the longest in circulation. there is another file found on edonkey which is a longer tvr teleitalia tv recording, 1h42'40" , showing the entire rape scene before the end of the movie. the file is seeded incomplete, missing about 15"  from 53'33"  yet is remarkably more complete than this one. if the guy finally comes back online and completes the seeding  this is so far the longest arcana available. the full movie,  111 minutes, has been restored and is stored in the archives of the Cineteca Nazionale in Rome. maybe the copyright holders one day will decide to sell us a legitimate, director's cut, decent DVD edition.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: 13-13 on 28 Jul 2010 - 15:28
Hello, recently acquired a DVD-r of the 1hr 43 min version(without subs) and I have Hipserical's subs and I'm not entirely sure if it's syncing up right, these are the first subs to appear and it happens at 2.23 (all of this is according to VCL media player), not really done the whole adding fan subs thing before and a bit worried I'll screw it up.


(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1923/vlcsnap2010072816h22m06.png)

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: bdc on 17 Oct 2010 - 13:03
Just read that a 111 min version will be playing at the French film institute.
Italian language with French subs.
http://www.cinematheque.fr/fr/dans-salles/rendez-vous-reguliers/fiche-manifestation/cinema-bis-carte-blanche-stephane-derderian,11990.html
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: quidtum on 22 Oct 2010 - 12:55
Just read that a 111 min version will be playing at the French film institute.
Italian language with French subs.
http://www.cinematheque.fr/fr/dans-salles/rendez-vous-reguliers/fiche-manifestation/cinema-bis-carte-blanche-stephane-derderian,11990.html

That's the uncut version for sure, the print screened at the retrospective in Venice Questi fantasmi: Cinema italiano ritrovato (1946-1975) 65° Mostra Internazionale d'Arte Cinematografica (2008) ran for 109'
http://asac.labiennale.org/it/passpres/cinema/ava-ricerca.php?scheda=111898&nuova=1&Sidopus=111898&ret=%2Fit%2Fricerca%2Fricerca-persona.php%3Fp%3D385725%26c%3Df
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: broonage on 22 Oct 2010 - 15:18
I'll try my best to get to that! It's only 15/20 mins by metro from me.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: broonage on 22 Oct 2010 - 15:38
geez, I really missed out on a lot of good films there!
In November they're showing two Corbuccis:

Giallo napoletano - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077611/
The Great Silence - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063032/

Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: drmiaow on 10 Jan 2011 - 17:35

Courtesy of Ginny, I just watched the excellent 1hr 45mins widescreen fansubbed copy of ARCANA that seems to have appeared on torrent sites recently via C S C Roma (Centro Sperimentale Di Cinematografia) - that's the ident on screen, anyway. It was well worth waiting for.

A fairly straightforward story about a mother and son reading palms, telling fortunes and healing the sick rapidly becomes very dark and very surreal... mood-wise, it reminded me a lot of Cavallone's SPELL, with a little of THE WICKER MAN and ROSEMARY'S BABY's urban magic thrown in to the mix. Really good, and well worth watching.

Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: ecc on 21 Mar 2012 - 19:38
the main theme music shows up during the climax of THE GIRL IN ROOM 2A.

I've only seen the film in Italian.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: DjangoLi on 21 Mar 2012 - 20:39

Courtesy of Ginny, I just watched the excellent 1hr 45mins widescreen fansubbed copy of ARCANA that seems to have appeared on torrent sites recently via C S C Roma (Centro Sperimentale Di Cinematografia) - that's the ident on screen, anyway. It was well worth waiting for.

A fairly straightforward story about a mother and son reading palms, telling fortunes and healing the sick rapidly becomes very dark and very surreal... mood-wise, it reminded me a lot of Cavallone's SPELL, with a little of THE WICKER MAN and ROSEMARY'S BABY's urban magic thrown in to the mix. Really good, and well worth watching.

Interestingly, whilst the copy does originate from the C.S.C. archives in Rome - it was actually director Giulio Questi himself who supplied the original disc that was uploaded. What a trooper :)
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: Jonny on 22 Mar 2012 - 08:20
Interestingly, whilst the copy does originate from the C.S.C. archives in Rome - it was actually director Giulio Questi himself who supplied the original disc that was uploaded. What a trooper :)

Love it!  ::)
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: ecc on 23 Mar 2012 - 14:42
found a download of the ARCANA LP.  It actually appears as though GIRL FROM 2A's entire score comes from the Pisano cues for ARCANA.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: quidtum on 27 Mar 2012 - 21:04
It actually appears as though GIRL FROM 2A's entire score comes from the Pisano cues for ARCANA.
Do you have some handy audio snippets for that GIRL FROM 2A's OST?
By the way, music is by Romolo Grano, I'm quoting from an auction and take a look at the label of the vinyl below
Quote
ARCANA - ITALIAN LIBRARY Lp. Music by ROMOLO GRANO directed and arranged by BERTO PISANO (produced by PALUMBO). Original Italian pressing on the PEGASO Label (PG 7) from 1972. Super-obscure and unreleased soundtrack themes for a film directed by Giulio Questi. In general, this Library Lp is very psychedelic and wonderfully macabre with that Italian giallo thriller / '70s euro horror movie sound of the period. L'UOMO CON SE STESSO is a superb example of psych jazz and bossa with exquisite viola motifs and beautiful scat chorus from Edda Dell'Orso. SACRO E PROFANO is much more spatial and darker but still very beautiful with Alessandroni style fuzz distortions / solo viola sounds / sparse use of percussion / droning hammond / woodwind and orchestrations. PERCEZIONI EXTRA SENSORIALE is yet another long, strung-out composition of supernatural ambience. Exotic, other-wordly sounds from the orchestra with electric vibes / hammond / ghostly sound FX / fuzz / treated viola / metallic taps and acoustic notes. Edda's voice is filtered in here and there, especially over the climatic last minute. INTROVERSIONE uses roughly the same musical formulae and there is even a pagan folk oddity on here called TARANTATA. A gorgeous score mixing refined orchestral jazz with experimental / art-house flair. One for the Italian Library connoisseur. Very rare and desirable Lp!!!
There's an excellent review (Italian language only, sorry) of Arcana OST (not a library as the above seller wrote) here
http://www.indie-eye.it/cinema/recensioni/arcana-di-romolo-grano/ (http://www.indie-eye.it/cinema/recensioni/arcana-di-romolo-grano/)
(http://i.minus.com/jlkSfXc9XIH25.JPG)
(http://i.minus.com/jylClBFlOXMeI.JPG)
(http://i.minus.com/jo9bQExd8I1u8.JPG)
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: ecc on 28 Mar 2012 - 11:48
It actually appears as though GIRL FROM 2A's entire score comes from the Pisano cues for ARCANA.
Do you have some handy audio snippets for that GIRL FROM 2A's OST?
By the way, music is by Romolo Grano, I'm quoting from an auction and take a look at the label of the vinyl below
Quote
ARCANA - ITALIAN LIBRARY Lp. Music by ROMOLO GRANO directed and arranged by BERTO PISANO (produced by PALUMBO). Original Italian pressing on the PEGASO Label (PG 7) from 1972. Super-obscure and unreleased soundtrack themes for a film directed by Giulio Questi. In general, this Library Lp is very psychedelic and wonderfully macabre with that Italian giallo thriller / '70s euro horror movie sound of the period. L'UOMO CON SE STESSO is a superb example of psych jazz and bossa with exquisite viola motifs and beautiful scat chorus from Edda Dell'Orso. SACRO E PROFANO is much more spatial and darker but still very beautiful with Alessandroni style fuzz distortions / solo viola sounds / sparse use of percussion / droning hammond / woodwind and orchestrations. PERCEZIONI EXTRA SENSORIALE is yet another long, strung-out composition of supernatural ambience. Exotic, other-wordly sounds from the orchestra with electric vibes / hammond / ghostly sound FX / fuzz / treated viola / metallic taps and acoustic notes. Edda's voice is filtered in here and there, especially over the climatic last minute. INTROVERSIONE uses roughly the same musical formulae and there is even a pagan folk oddity on here called TARANTATA. A gorgeous score mixing refined orchestral jazz with experimental / art-house flair. One for the Italian Library connoisseur. Very rare and desirable Lp!!!
There's an excellent review (Italian language only, sorry) of Arcana OST (not a library as the above seller wrote) here
http://www.indie-eye.it/cinema/recensioni/arcana-di-romolo-grano/ (http://www.indie-eye.it/cinema/recensioni/arcana-di-romolo-grano/)
(http://i.minus.com/jlkSfXc9XIH25.JPG)
(http://i.minus.com/jylClBFlOXMeI.JPG)
(http://i.minus.com/jo9bQExd8I1u8.JPG)

It appears as though that listing quotes entirely from this forum post:
http://forum.funkysouls.com/index.php?s=&act=Post&CODE=06&f=15&t=247730&p=5502875 (http://forum.funkysouls.com/index.php?s=&act=Post&CODE=06&f=15&t=247730&p=5502875) which features a Rapidshare link to the ARCANA soundtrack.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: quidtum on 28 Mar 2012 - 12:04
Can't you read the name of the one who posted that?
Now please reply to my above question:
It actually appears as though GIRL FROM 2A's entire score comes from the Pisano cues for ARCANA.
Do you have some handy audio snippets for that GIRL FROM 2A's OST?
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: ecc on 28 Mar 2012 - 12:10
Can't you read the name of the one who posted that?
Now please reply to my above question:
It actually appears as though GIRL FROM 2A's entire score comes from the Pisano cues for ARCANA.

Do you have some handy audio snippets for that GIRL FROM 2A's OST?

There is no GIRL FROM ROOM 2A soundtrack, just the score as it appears in the film.  Although Pisano is credited as the composer on 2A, the cues all seem to come from ARCANA.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: quidtum on 28 Mar 2012 - 13:27
Although Pisano is credited as the composer on 2A, the cues all seem to come from ARCANA.
Yeah GIRL FROM ROOM 2A: I was misled by that foreign title of the movie (La casa della paura). I've to say that it's not such a rare thing, by the way Berto Pisano recycled some tracks from Interrabang for Giallo a Venezia. Even Piero Umiliani used the music for Il corpo for the following Eva nera.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: ecc on 28 Mar 2012 - 13:43
Although Pisano is credited as the composer on 2A, the cues all seem to come from ARCANA.
Yeah GIRL FROM ROOM 2A: I was misled by that foreign title of the movie (La casa della paura). I've to say that it's not such a rare thing, by the way Berto Pisano recycled some tracks from Interrabang for Giallo a Venezia. Even Piero Umiliani used the music for Il corpo for the following Eva nera.

That makes me wonder if Pisano's jazzy main title theme for BURIAL GROUND (NOTTI DEL TERRORE) is recycled from another film.

The CAM-produced scores by Cipriani, De Masi, Nicolai, and Morricone are also heavily recycled in Spanish films (including several films by Paul Naschy).
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: quidtum on 28 Mar 2012 - 14:11
Basically this only means more money to earn for a soundtrack/library composer, and considering the huge amounts of movies shot during the 70s, it seems almost natural that some composers could use their music again for another movie.
It'd be actually very interesting to draw a whole map of these soundtracks and their use.
This is really more and more hard to do for libraries and sonorization records: I've tons of these records and I completely ignore which TV programs, documentaries, etc., they were created/used for.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: quidtum on 28 Mar 2012 - 14:16
That makes me wonder if Pisano's jazzy main title theme for BURIAL GROUND (NOTTI DEL TERRORE) is recycled from another film.
Probably from Katarsis AKA Sfida al diavolo
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0276499/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0276499/)
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: ecc on 28 Mar 2012 - 14:40
That makes me wonder if Pisano's jazzy main title theme for BURIAL GROUND (NOTTI DEL TERRORE) is recycled from another film.
Probably from Katarsis AKA Sfida al diavolo
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0276499/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0276499/)

I might have a copy of that on DVDR.  I'll have to finally check it out.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: ecc on 02 Apr 2012 - 16:29
The Italian credits for ARCANA credit both Pisano and Grano with the score (with an additional conducting credit for Pisano).  I don't know why GIRL IN ROOM 2A only credits Pisano.
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: quidtum on 04 Apr 2012 - 23:40
(http://i.minus.com/jo9bQExd8I1u8.JPG)
According to you, are false the credits reported on a vinyl label or the credits compiled on imdb?
http://www.imdb.it/title/tt0221803/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.it/title/tt0221803/fullcredits#cast)
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: ecc on 05 Apr 2012 - 05:04
(http://i.minus.com/jo9bQExd8I1u8.JPG)
According to you, are false the credits reported on a vinyl label or the credits compiled on imdb?
http://www.imdb.it/title/tt0221803/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.it/title/tt0221803/fullcredits#cast)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--E-YbqO-k7M/T30nJpGOlbI/AAAAAAAAAz8/fd4USrTndpY/s800/arcana.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcana (Giulio Questi, 1972)
Post by: quidtum on 05 Apr 2012 - 23:34
Here (http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300&mode=results&searchstr=310409055&search_in=i&search_type=exact&search_det=t,s,w,p,b,v&results_pp=25&start=1)'s another site confirming that both the musicians are credited as composers of the soundtrack.