Euro Cult Movie Forum => Horror => Topic started by: fdsmedia on 06 Aug 2008 - 06:18

Title: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: fdsmedia on 06 Aug 2008 - 06:18
Coming from Lionsgate on October 28, no specs yet...

(http://images.dvdempire.com/gen/movies/1420295h.jpg)
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: ecc on 06 Aug 2008 - 07:53
Hopefully it won't be a PAL-NTSC transfer.  Great Morricone score.
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Jonny on 06 Aug 2008 - 08:00
Excellent news really like this film and have been waiting for a decent DVD release. Any word on whether it will be uncut?
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: ecc on 06 Aug 2008 - 08:07
Well, RAIN OF FIRE is the export title isn't it?
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Ben Cobb on 06 Aug 2008 - 08:15
Dreadful cover artwork... such a shame as there were some great original poster designs for this. Still, this great film is well overdue a decent dvd release.
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: fdsmedia on 06 Aug 2008 - 08:31
It says NOT RATED, 102 mins...

I read somewhere that the Legocart DVD has got extended dialogue scenes but is cut in other places...
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Jonny on 06 Aug 2008 - 08:51
Quote from: fdsmedia on 06 Aug 2008 - 08:31
It says NOT RATED, 102 mins...

I read somewhere that the Legocart DVD has got extended dialogue scenes but is cut in other places...

Here you go - Link to earlier discussion... (http://www.lovelockandload.net/forum/index.php?topic=1182.msg19682#msg19682)
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: fdsmedia on 06 Aug 2008 - 08:56
Cool, thanks Jonny. I'm ok with less talk and more gore...  :P
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Jonny on 06 Aug 2008 - 13:27
Some running times for you...

Legocart DVD version = 1h 42m 22secs (PAL) Cut for gore but has extra dialogue scenes.

Dutch Video For Pleasure VHS = 1h 37m 41secs (PAL) Uncut gore but minus the extra dialogue scenes.
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: fdsmedia on 06 Aug 2008 - 13:34
102 min NTSC is 97 min 49 sec PAL.
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Jonny on 06 Aug 2008 - 13:38
Quote from: fdsmedia on 06 Aug 2008 - 13:34
102 min NTSC is 97 min 49 sec PAL.

Seems like it'll be the same as the uncut Dutch version then.

In my timing for the VHS I knocked off a few seconds as I didn't count the opening Rank logo as it's not on the Italian DVD.

Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 06 Aug 2008 - 15:35
Quote from: Jonny on 06 Aug 2008 - 13:38

Seems like it'll be the same as the uncut Dutch version then.


I've got (unless i may have sold it i'm not sure) a video for pleasure Dutch tape which was a widescreen compromise at about 1.85:1 or in the region of, and it also went with the shitter title of "Rain of fire"

was this version uncut?
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Jonny on 06 Aug 2008 - 15:37
Quote from: Inspector Tanzi on 06 Aug 2008 - 15:35
Quote from: Jonny on 06 Aug 2008 - 13:38

Seems like it'll be the same as the uncut Dutch version then.

would that be a tape or dvd mate?

I've got (unless i may have sold it i'm not sure) a video for pleasure Dutch tape which was a widescreen compromise at about 1.85:1 or in the region of, and it also went with the shitter title of "Rain of fire"

was this version uncut?

To quote myself from earlier in the thread...

Quote from: Jonny on 06 Aug 2008 - 13:27

Legocart DVD version = 1h 42m 22secs (PAL) Cut for gore but has extra dialogue scenes.

Dutch Video For Pleasure VHS = 1h 37m 41secs (PAL) Uncut gore but minus the extra dialogue scenes.

 :D
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 06 Aug 2008 - 15:40
I didn't clock that when i first looked, ??? in between your me posting and you replying i removed the first line after i noticed it.
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Jonny on 06 Aug 2008 - 15:44
The Dutch VHS goes to full scope ratio for the end credits, something I'd not noticed before until I checked the running times today. I'd always assumed 1.85:1 was the correct ratio.

Be great to see this with a good transfer and in the correct ratio.

Also would have loved to have seen the original poster art, where Kirk is topless, on the cover...

(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4543/holocaust2000jb5.jpg)
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Post by: Johan Melle on 06 Aug 2008 - 23:50
Well, this is awesome news!!! HOLOCAUST 2000 is a terrific films and one of the top unreleased Italian horror films out there. Can't wait to get this.

Btw, there should be at least one other version of this film. It was released in the US as THE CHOSEN, and featured a different ending - apparently because the original European ending (which I think is great) was somewhat open and it was thought it wouldn't please the US audience. Never actually seen it but I hope this alternate ending will be included on the DVD.
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Post by: Sadako on 23 Aug 2008 - 16:52
Where is the new title from? RAIN OF FIRE?

Old DVD covers here...
Black Hole Reviews (http://blackholereviews.blogspot.com/2007/09/holocaust-2000-1978-and-omen-2-1978.html)
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Jonny on 23 Aug 2008 - 21:13
Quote from: Sadako on 23 Aug 2008 - 16:52
Where is the new title from? RAIN OF FIRE?

RAIN OF FIRE is the title on the old uncut Dutch VHS release, here's a grab from that tape...

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3274/vhswg3.jpg)

Maybe Lionsgate used the same master for their DVD?

Grab from the Italian DVD under the original HOLOCAUST 2000 title...

(http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8324/dvdpo2.jpg)
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Post by: zykl0nb on 24 Aug 2008 - 02:11
I don't remember liking this movie much, but that probably won't stop me from buying it.  Isn't there a cool scene where... [spoiler]some guy gets his head chopped by a helicopter?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Hans on 24 Aug 2008 - 02:15
Quote from: Graal on 24 Aug 2008 - 02:11
I don't remember liking this movie much, but that probably won't stop me from buying it.  Isn't there a cool scene where... [spoiler]some guy gets his head chopped by a helicopter?[/spoiler]

Indeed, there is. :)  I enjoyed this one a whole lot more than the Omen. 
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: ecc on 24 Aug 2008 - 03:19
Quote from: Johan Melle on 06 Aug 2008 - 23:50
It was released in the US as THE CHOSEN, and featured a different ending - apparently because the original European ending (which I think is great) was somewhat open and it was thought it wouldn't please the US audience. Never actually seen it but I hope this alternate ending will be included on the DVD.

The US tape and TV prints of the AIP version were titled HOLOCAUST 2000.
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: MarcMorris on 24 Aug 2008 - 12:38
I have a US theatrical trailer under the title THE CHOSEN.
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: ecc on 24 Aug 2008 - 21:06
(http://www.critcononline.com/images/chosen.jpg)

Perhaps it was released under both both titles (I do recall seeing it on video and on TV as HOLOCAUST 2000).  This is Vestron's ad for the tape release:
(http://www.critcononline.com/images/holocaust%202000%20vestron%20vhs%20ad.jpg)
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: fdsmedia on 14 Sep 2008 - 17:08
According to the Lionsgate publicity material, the film will be anamorphic 1.78:1

Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: fdsmedia on 17 Oct 2008 - 18:06
I will get my copy on Tuesday - hooray!  ::)
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: fdsmedia on 21 Oct 2008 - 17:32
Received it today, here are some quick screens:

(http://i36.tinypic.com/zxte0n.jpg)

(http://i38.tinypic.com/2qiogh1.jpg)

(http://i35.tinypic.com/do3tde.jpg)
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Jonny on 21 Oct 2008 - 19:14
Looks good so far Magnus! I'll be ordering tomorrow.  :P
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: ecc on 21 Oct 2008 - 23:48
So, its cropped?  I haven't seen it in quite a while but I'm pretty sure the opening credits of the English Holocaust 2000 version say its in Techniscope
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Jonny on 22 Oct 2008 - 08:45
Quote from: ecc on 21 Oct 2008 - 23:48
So, its cropped?  I haven't seen it in quite a while but I'm pretty sure the opening credits of the English Holocaust 2000 version say its in Techniscope

Never noticed the Techniscope credit before, I'll have to double check when I get home now. I'll still be buying it regardless.
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: ecc on 22 Oct 2008 - 12:26
The title cap on the LionsGate certainly looks cropped compared to the that windowboxed Italian one:
(http://i36.tinypic.com/zxte0n.jpg)
(http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8324/dvdpo2.jpg)

Wouldn't be the first time LionsGate has cropped a scope release to 1.78:1.  The horrible Filmax production THE NUN was anamorphic 2.35:1 and their DVD was cropped noticeably to 1.78:1 with resulting fuzziness in some shots (I think their retitling of ROMASANTA titled WEREWOLF HUNTER was also cropped).  Also the Super 35mm production CREEP was opened up to 1.78:1 compared to the 2.35:1 UK disc.
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: ecc on 29 Oct 2008 - 01:18
Rented the disc.  The credits say "Filmed in Technovision" which is sometimes flat (ZEDER, STENDHAL SYNDROME) and sometimes anamorphic (TRAUMA).
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Michael Blanton on 29 Oct 2008 - 05:06
Watched this tonight and really enjoyed it.  ::)

Especially [spoiler]Kirk's nude nuclear nightmare![/spoiler]  :-*


The scenes in the mental institution were also surreal & unnerving at times.
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: ecc on 29 Oct 2008 - 11:10
The ending on the LionsGate disc is definitely different from what I remember on the HOLOCAUST 2000 tape and TV prints in the US.
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Post by: Jonny on 29 Oct 2008 - 11:27
Just looking at the Dutch VHS version and noticed that the end credits go to scope ratio...

(http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/2461/dutchfu7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

How are they framed on the Lionsgate disc?
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Post by: ecc on 29 Oct 2008 - 15:14
I've already sent it back but they look skinny (squeezed).

I wasn't impressed by the film seeing it again on disc but I liked this ending over the one on the AIP prints.
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Post by: fdsmedia on 29 Oct 2008 - 18:35
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2rx8tb4.png)

picture info is definitely missing...
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Post by: ecc on 29 Oct 2008 - 22:12
I kind of liked BELPHEGOR but that is an awful English trailer featured on the RAIN OF FIRE DVD.
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Jonny on 30 Oct 2008 - 10:43
OK. I took the grab from the Dutch tape and the grab from the Lionsgate DVD and scaled them so they were the same size...
Dutch VHS
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/lovelockandload/Grabs/HoloDutch.jpg)

Lionsgate DVD
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/lovelockandload/Grabs/HoloDVD.jpg)

Composite
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/lovelockandload/Grabs/HoloComposite.jpg)
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: fdsmedia on 30 Oct 2008 - 11:28
Nice one, Jonny! It could be worse, I guess...
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Post by: ecc on 30 Oct 2008 - 12:16
Too bad.  Not a great film but it had some striking images that were ruined by the cropping such as the power plant rising from the water and changing into the statue of the seven-headed serpent having its edges cut off by the edges of the cropped frame.  Even in the art direction you can see that it was intended to be a scope film (take a look at the rectangular shape of that painting of the power plant.  Other scenes don't look ruinously cropped, they just don't seem that well framed in the 1.78:1 version.
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Post by: ecc on 31 Oct 2008 - 10:12
Here's the more familiar ending as seen in the US prints:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar3JgSIOW4E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar3JgSIOW4E)

CHOSEN trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxu-97U4tNI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxu-97U4tNI)
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Andrew Monroe on 31 Oct 2008 - 11:42
I was thinking I had seen this one in the mid 80s on Cinemax or some such, but got into it last nite and realized I`d never seen it at all. I kept expecting to see an evil little blond tyke, finally dawned on me I was mistaking this for THE GODSEND! That`s the OMEN rip-off I saw back then. Really enjoyed this, some inventive and gory deaths and a nicely constructed story - love the little clues and signs of the anti-christ - Massimo Foschi looks so menacing in the film, a drastic change from the same year`s JUNGLE HOLOCAUST. Even though this film swings wildly from goofy to grim (the hospital nursery scene near the end), it`s always absolutely entertaining.

I`d really like to see THE GODSEND again now...
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Post by: Johan Melle on 31 Oct 2008 - 19:33
Quote from: fdsmedia on 21 Oct 2008 - 17:32
(http://i35.tinypic.com/do3tde.jpg)

Looks like some slight sawtoothing in that screenshot. This, coupled with the fact that it's cropped and doesn't feature any of the additional scenes makes this release look like something of a missed opportunity. With that said, I'll still be getting this one as I happen to like this film a great deal.

I'm glad the original ending is retained at least. This ending was also on the UK tape titled HOLOCAUST 2000, I believe. That hastily put togther mess of an ending seen in the youtube clip seems to have been made solely for the US. It provides more closure, I guess, but it's looks so sloppy and careless. Would have made for a nice extra on the DVD, though.
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 31 Oct 2008 - 21:10
Quote from: Johan Melle on 31 Oct 2008 - 19:33
Looks like some slight sawtoothing in that screenshot.
what does "sawtoothing" mean? :D
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Jonny on 31 Oct 2008 - 21:32
Quote from: Inspector Tanzi on 31 Oct 2008 - 21:10

what does "sawtoothing" mean? :D

Look at Kirk Douglas' fringe in that grab and you'll see the effect.
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 31 Oct 2008 - 22:24
Quote from: Jonny on 31 Oct 2008 - 21:32
Quote from: Inspector Tanzi on 31 Oct 2008 - 21:10

what does "sawtoothing" mean? :D

Look at Kirk Douglas' fringe in that grab and you'll see the effect.

?

all i can see is his hair messily brushed forward, am i missing something as i've never heard the expression before.
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Jonny on 31 Oct 2008 - 22:37
Quote from: Inspector Tanzi on 31 Oct 2008 - 22:24

all i can see is his hair messily brushed forward, am i missing something as i've never heard the expression before.

You're not looking close enough, put your specs on. Hold on, I'll enlarge the image for you...

(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9656/do3tdemb1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Can you see it now?
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 31 Oct 2008 - 22:43
Quote from: Jonny on 31 Oct 2008 - 22:37
Can you see it now?
Sure can, maybe because my screen is smaller i couldn't see it before :-\
Title: Re: Holocaust 2000 (Alberto De Martino, 1977)
Post by: Jonny on 07 Mar 2016 - 19:13
Just noticed a fan version of this on CG that's in the correct ratio. Sourced from a French DVD with excellent image quality, has had an alternate ending inserted from a Greek VHS. Great stuff!

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/lovelockandload/1_zpsbgo8fchj.png)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/lovelockandload/2_zps0vexvzv4.png)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/lovelockandload/3_zpsr91afiyk.png)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/lovelockandload/4_zpsu3icpjka.png)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/lovelockandload/5_zpsqe96itmb.png)
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Post by: Russell22 on 08 Mar 2016 - 14:46
Great news. A very fun Omen rip-off with some nice Italian flourishes here and there.
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Post by: fenriz on 09 Mar 2016 - 09:43
I have got the french dvd, great disc. This print will look stunning in HD !  8)