Euro Cult Movie Forum => Police & Crime => Topic started by: Jonny on 28 Jul 2007 - 12:34

Title: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Jonny on 28 Jul 2007 - 12:34
Found this DVD on a Spanish website and can't seem to place what film it is and whether it's been out in English at all...

DVD specs say 1.85:1 aspect ration with a run time of 95minutes...

(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3291/caianowi3.jpg)
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 28 Jul 2007 - 12:51
I'm almost 100% certain it has never had an English dub,a real shame as it has a great cast(Mann,Steiner,Chris Avram) and Caiano is one of my favorite directors.
Anyone seen it yet?I'm very tempted to pick up a copy,the lack of English options has never stopped me before :-\
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Jonny on 28 Jul 2007 - 13:02
I'm very tempted to pick up a copy,the lack of English options has never stopped me before :-\

Same here, I'm not about to start 'waiting' for stuff to get English language releases, these days I'm after everything I can get on DVD. English options or not...
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: vigilanteforce on 28 Jul 2007 - 13:03
I don't believe this one ever had an English dub either, although you never know! Too bad because I love Caiano's crime films. I already have an Italian VHS of the movie that Stephen sent me and a DVD-R of the French version, titled ANTI-GANG. The disc seems hard to resist, no matter the lack of English options!
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 28 Jul 2007 - 13:24
From what i've read over at some of the Italian forums the picture quality is supposed to be good on this,as there is no English version this may be the best we'll ever see it.
Btw anyone noticed the mistake on the cover? :-\
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Jonny on 28 Jul 2007 - 13:32
From what i've read over at some of the Italian forums the picture quality is supposed to be good on this,as there is no English version this may be the best we'll ever see it.
Btw anyone noticed the mistake on the cover? :-\
Is the mistake where it says Mariano instead of Mario?

I'll be picking this up as soon as I've got some spare cash in a couple of weeks.  :'(
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 28 Jul 2007 - 13:37
Is the mistake where it says Mariano instead of Mario?

I'll be picking this up as soon as I've got some spare cash in a couple of weeks.  :'(
Yeah that's it mate :-\
Let us know what it's like when you get it.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Mart85 on 28 Jul 2007 - 14:22
Looks like a good 'un.  Don't think you can go wrong with Steiner in a Caiano crime flick.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 28 Jul 2007 - 22:37
The italian crime movies as well as the westerns could very well be the same as the HK films regarding dubs. There could be a dub of it only it never surfaced or possibly the elements no longer exist. Since these movies like the westerns, were imported here I can't see why many obscure titles would not have a dub for it. Several Shaw Brothers titles had english dubs surface recently when many claimed they didn't exist so I don't see why the same thing couldn't apply here. Even some of the dubbers on the italian imports did dubbing on some of the HK movies. I've seen two with those familiar voices from italo horror/action movies.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: vigilanteforce on 29 Jul 2007 - 02:42
That's right. Not many knew about the existence of an English dub of LA POLIZIA ORDINA SPARATE A VISTA/SPECIAL SQUAD SHOOTS ON SIGHT. Found an English-speaking copy from a Venezuelan VHS and expecting to have it soon!
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 29 Jul 2007 - 09:13
The reason i think this never had an English dub is because there was never an English title for it plus maybe it was intended for domestic Italian distribution only like many of Brescia's crime movies with Merola which were made for local audiences,if anyone knows of an English print/tape please let us know.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 29 Jul 2007 - 12:18
Well, that could be but there was an english dub of the insane italian musical western called RITA OF THE WEST. And that movie has "for domestic audiences only" stamped all over it.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 29 Jul 2007 - 12:25
I'll contact Pierpaolo from Pollanet later whose an authority on the genre and ask him.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Jonny on 29 Jul 2007 - 20:45
I'll contact Pierpaolo from Pollanet later whose an authority on the genre and ask him.

Nice one Stephen, be interesting to hear what he says!
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 29 Jul 2007 - 20:58
I'll contact Pierpaolo from Pollanet later whose an authority on the genre and ask him.

Nice one Stephen, be interesting to hear what he says!
Well i need to pay him for some posters so i might as well ask him about this as well :-\
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Jonny on 30 Jul 2007 - 10:27
Just looked this film up in the 'Dizzanario del cinema Italiano' and the theatrical run time is listed as being 105 minutes. So does a DVD running time of 95 minutes sound about right? I can't remember how much time is lost when converting Film to DVD/VHS.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Paul on 30 Jul 2007 - 11:14
Just looked this film up in the 'Dizzanario del cinema Italiano' and the theatrical run time is listed as being 105 minutes. So does a DVD running time of 95 minutes sound about right? I can't remember how much time is lost when converting Film to DVD/VHS.

Films run 24 frames per second, PAL video runs 25fps. To calculate the correct conversion, divide the theatrical running time by 100 and then multiply by 96.

So 105 mins at 24fps would be 101 mins at PAL speed.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Jonny on 30 Jul 2007 - 11:22
So 105 mins at 24fps would be 101 mins at PAL speed.

Cheers for that! I just looked it up on VHS over at Videoarcheologia (see link below) and they've got the Swiss VHS running at 102 minutes, so it seems that the quoted 95 minutes on the Spanish DVD is (hopefully!) wrong or it's a shorter version...

Videoarcheologia link HERE (http://www.videoarcheologia.it/html/it/index.asp?mainurl=ssv/sch_s102.asp)

Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Jonny on 01 Aug 2007 - 16:24
Here's a couple of random grabs from the Spanish DVD that arrived this morning...

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/lovelockandload/Hampa.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/lovelockandload/Hampa2.jpg)

Didn't watch too much as I didn't want to spoil it for myself as I've never seen it before. Looks pretty good though from what I did see.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 01 Aug 2007 - 16:50
Looks great,check out skinny Steiner :-\
Still haven't heard back from Mr Pollanet about the English dub yet.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Mart85 on 01 Aug 2007 - 16:55
Looks great,check out skinny Steiner :-\

He looks well dapper in his big collared orange shirt.  :'(

Thanks for the grabs, Jonny.
Title: Antigang
Post by: Jay on 17 Sep 2007 - 21:06
Just been snooping at the French VHS of Antigang, La malavita attacca: la polizia risponde and DVD of Le Dernier Combat with Lee Van Cleef and Patrick McGoohan. Seen these before but what's your thoughts?

Jay
Title: Re: Antigang
Post by: vigilanteforce on 17 Sep 2007 - 21:07
Where have you been amigo?  :P

I have a copy of the French ANTIGANG version of LA MALAVITA, it is letterboxed and looks beautiful for the VHS standards.
Title: Re: Antigang
Post by: Jay on 17 Sep 2007 - 21:11
Hey my good friend!

Have been to Almeria and La Manga for two weeks of watching movies, beer and sun. As well as young English ladies!  :P
Title: Re: Antigang
Post by: vigilanteforce on 17 Sep 2007 - 21:59
hehe, sounds like a great time  ::)
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: MikeMalloy on 10 Nov 2007 - 15:02
Yeah, I have three language versions of this film (two thanks to mail forwarding by Mr. Slater), but no English.

Leonard Mann had never seen it until I got it for him.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Johan Melle on 10 Nov 2007 - 15:32
I concur that there most likely isn't an English dub for this film. The great Sweet Cosy Video site lists the Finnish vhs release and that one too is listed as being in Italian language with Finnish subs. Now, all Scandinavian releases have a habit of using the English-dubbed versions and not the Italian ones. I'm sure if there was an English dub they would've used that for the Finnish vhs release.

It's strange, though, because it seems like the kind of film that would be prepared for export. Then again, so does THE TRUE STORY OF THE NUN OF MONZA (1980) but that one was only dubbed in French and German - not English for whatever reason. Same with all the sleazy Gabriele Crisanti productions starring Mariangela Giordana: GIALLO A VENEZIA (1979), MALABIMBA (1979), PATRICK STILL LIVES (1980), THE NIGHTS OF TERROR (1981) and SATAN'S BABY DOLL (1982). They would all seem like the kind of films that would get dubbed but the only one of these that was dubbed into English was THE NIGHTS OF TERROR, which became better known under its US title BURIAL GROUND. I used to think that maybe GIALLO A VENEZIA had an English dub track prepared too because the Blood and Black Lace book has a publicity sheet for it under the mis-spelled title TRHILLING IN VENICE. I have been told, however, that was in fact never dubbed.

But there are plenty of English dubs out there that exist even though they've never seen the light of day on vhs or dvd. Films like L'ORA DI LONDRA (1967), L'ARMA, L'ORA, IL MOVENTE (1973), PLAY MOTEL (1979) and others do exist in English.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 13 Nov 2007 - 22:18
Nice post Johan :P,great bit of info.You'll have to get a thread going about the English dubbers of these films,know you're a bit of an expert in this field  :D :'(
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Johan Melle on 15 Nov 2007 - 15:20
Thank you, Stephen!   :-\ But, really, I'm no expert on dubbing - I'm just genuinely interested in the subject. I think it's one of the most over-looked aspects of these European films, with most people never giving much thought to the unknown talents who put the English tracks together. I love hearing the same old voices popping up in film after film and I think there are plenty of excellent English dubs out there. However, I'll readily admit there are a lot of really bad ones too. But a bad, silly dub can also be a good thing as it sometimes helps elevate a film from forgettable tedium to hilarious trash. It all really depends on the film.

Dubbing also arouses my curiosity because there's so little information available on this subject - both in books or on the internet. I wish there was some sort of dubbing database but for now one has to make due with trying to act as a "dubbing detective" by listening to the various films and trying to reconize the voices.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Hietapakka on 16 Nov 2007 - 08:03
I concur that there most likely isn't an English dub for this film. The great Sweet Cosy Video site lists the Finnish vhs release and that one too is listed as being in Italian language with Finnish subs. Now, all Scandinavian releases have a habit of using the English-dubbed versions and not the Italian ones. I'm sure if there was an English dub they would've used that for the Finnish vhs release.

It's strange, though, because it seems like the kind of film that would be prepared for export. Then again, so does THE TRUE STORY OF THE NUN OF MONZA (1980) but that one was only dubbed in French and German - not English for whatever reason. Same with all the sleazy Gabriele Crisanti productions starring Mariangela Giordana: GIALLO A VENEZIA (1979), MALABIMBA (1979), PATRICK STILL LIVES (1980), THE NIGHTS OF TERROR (1981) and SATAN'S BABY DOLL (1982). They would all seem like the kind of films that would get dubbed but the only one of these that was dubbed into English was THE NIGHTS OF TERROR, which became better known under its US title BURIAL GROUND. I used to think that maybe GIALLO A VENEZIA had an English dub track prepared too because the Blood and Black Lace book has a publicity sheet for it under the mis-spelled title TRHILLING IN VENICE. I have been told, however, that was in fact never dubbed.

But there are plenty of English dubs out there that exist even though they've never seen the light of day on vhs or dvd. Films like L'ORA DI LONDRA (1967), L'ARMA, L'ORA, IL MOVENTE (1973), PLAY MOTEL (1979) and others do exist in English.

Finnish letterboxed videorelease La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! aka Kaliberi 44 (Magna Filmi) is duplicated from poor quality italian (?) television-print.

Some reason same videolabel used french dubbed audiotrack at Mario Bianchi's Napoli: I 5 della Squadra Speciale aka Poliisipiiri 5.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Jonny on 26 Jun 2008 - 11:06
I don't suppose an English language subtitle file has been made for this one yet?

The Spanish DVD has an Italian language track so English subs would be really cool to add to it.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 26 Jun 2008 - 11:42
I'd love to see an English subbed version of this especially as the Spanish dvd looks so nice,Caiano made some superior crime films and this is up there with MILANO VIOLENTA and A TUTTE LE AUTO DELLA POLIZIA.
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Jonny on 02 Oct 2008 - 14:54
Added the English subtitles - thank you very much DjangoLi! - to the Spanish DVD yesterday. Ripped the film and the Italian language track then converted the 4:3 letterboxed image so it's now enhanced for 16:9 TV's.

Watched it this morning and it's a really good film. Steiner is great as Rudy the gang boss and he has a snazzy late 70's wardrobe which seems to change with every new scene, he's even seen wearing a satin jacket with ROLLERBALL on the back at one point, featuring an embroidered studded glove and movie title emblazoned across his back.  ::)
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: DjangoLi on 02 Oct 2008 - 16:03
Glad you enjoyed the movie Jonny... that gold plated machine-gun was the show-stopper for me. Priceless!

Perhaps now is a great time to shamelessly plug my website (where you can find the subs for La Malavita...)

http://www.italianfilmtranslation.com/

The not-so-imaginative title was thought about at 5 in the morning with a spliff in my hand trying to get anything on the .com range. In retrospect I should have chosen something more general, still, it fits the bill for now.

All future subs will be posted there... I also need to patch some bits but I'm happy with it for the mojo.

I hope Pollanett won't tear my head off for...erm... borrowing some of their locandina images? (and here as well?) Hey! It's for a good cause!

Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Jonny on 02 Oct 2008 - 16:08
Glad you enjoyed the movie Jonny... that gold plated machine-gun was the show-stopper for me. Priceless!

Perhaps now is a great time to shamelessly plug my website (where you can find the subs for La Malavita...)

http://www.italianfilmtranslation.com/

The not-so-imaginative title was thought about at 5 in the morning with a spliff in my hand trying to get anything on the .com range. In retrospect I should have chosen something more general, still, it fits the bill for now.

All future subs will be posted there... I also need to patch some bits but I'm happy with it for the mojo.

I hope Pollanett won't tear my head off for...erm... borrowing some of their locandina images? (and here as well?) Hey! It's for a good cause!


Your site is a great idea mate! I'll add a link to it in the main site's link section for you.  :'(
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Luca Canali on 02 Oct 2008 - 21:35
Fantastic stuff Django! I'm sure everyone here appreciates your hard work mate.  :P
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: Pollanet on 02 Oct 2008 - 21:45

I hope Pollanett won't tear my head off for...erm... borrowing some of their locandina images? (and here as well?) Hey! It's for a good cause!



don't worry Django! it's a very good cause and a wonderful work, I hope you can continue it, get any image you need  :P
Title: Re: La malavita attacca... la polizia risponde! (Mario Caiano, 1978)
Post by: KommissarX on 03 Oct 2008 - 15:45
Absolutely fabulous, DjangoLi! Thank you so much for putting all the effort into subtitling the films we've come to love. Your site is a real treasure trove!  ;)