Euro Cult Movie Forum => Blu-ray/DVD Company release archive => Topic started by: Longsden on 17 May 2012 - 13:08
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A kickstarter is a really good idea ::) High Crime is crying out for a proper release
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I have just sent them an email about the Kickstarter idea. Fingers crossed.
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So, I got a very prompt response from Rick Knight, the CEO of Dorado Films. He says that they have been looking at the possibility of using Kickstarter for a while now but are still reeling from the low sales of previous titles. The cult DVD market really looks to be struggling.
But here's the good news. They are considering releasing a box set of High Crime, Special Cop in Action, Roma Violenta, Napoli Violenta A Gun for a Cop, The Black Hand and Weapons of Death if it is economically viable. How cool would that be?
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How cool would that be?
Pretty fucking cool.
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No brainer - put out a box set and use kickstarter to get it going.
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I get the impression that they don't know how best to use Kickstarter.
I suppose you could have different increments. So, for a basic version of the box set you could charge $30, $40 for a steelbook, $50 for a numbered limited edition, $75 for the box and a printed poster and $100 for the box and their other DVD releases. Could get quite creative with it. The best thing is that they would not have to press the DVDs unless they met their funding goal.
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I gather if the goal isn't reached you don't pay?
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Nope, very little risk. Would be a better way to gauge interest than using the screener approach.
Would enough people be interested enough to buy it though?
Perhaps we should use the approach to fund the first official LL&L DVD ;).
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Let's hope they go with the Kickstarter idea. Mike Malloy managed to get nearly $15,000 for his documentary and at the moment The Lost Films of Herschell Gordon Lewis Restoration Project is up to about $6,500 of its $10,000 goal with nearly three weeks to go.
I'm not sure how much Dorado would need to raise to release the box set, but considering calibre of the titles they're mentioning, I'm sure they'd have it funded within a week or two with the help of the euro cult community and some curious Kickstarter regulars.
I hope the low sales of their previous titles won't stop them from releasing these, because in all honesty I'd never heard about Dorado film until this post (which might explain why people haven't bought their previous releases)
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I hope the low sales of their previous titles will stop them from releasing these
Did you mean what you wrote there of did you mix your words up?
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I hope the low sales of their previous titles will stop them from releasing these
Did you mean what you wrote there of did you mix your words up?
I certainly did not ???
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I see you corrected it ::)
I did think you messed up rather than didn't want them to release it :D
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Oh dear, Kickstarter plans outlined in this blog post...
http://dorado-films.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/kickstarter-and-argoman-concept.html?m=1
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Okayyyy. Whilst it is encouraging to see that they are using Kickstarter they have gone about this the wrong way with completely the wrong title to test the waters with. My suggestions for the increments were the same as the ones I listed in an earlier post in this thread and were purely based on packaging. Perhaps I'll be wrong, some strange things get funded on Kickstarter and the rewards might attract some support. $25,000 might be possible but $40,000? Will be interesting to see what happens.
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2000 copies, each copy sells for $20 - that would make $40,000... I also thought it was a high target to aim for, but when you fire up the calculator it isn't that unrealistic. The only problem is that (I'm guessing) you're very unlikely to find 2000 people who are willing to buy the DVD's.
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Wrong title for sure!! But still nice to see...
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The reason this title is going ahead is that they have done work on it already.this was announced as coming soon in 2009.Im looking forward to it,it just seems an awful lot of money. Like i said in the other thread, john lyons in the USA is raising money via kickstarter,he needs $10,000 to license,restore and release the three (previously) lost h.g.lewis films. I have heard stories about italian licensors being greddy but jeez thats a lot. If anybody is interested in the h.g.lewis restoration check it out
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/processblue/the-lost-films-of-herschell-gordon-lewis-restorati (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/processblue/the-lost-films-of-herschell-gordon-lewis-restorati)
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SPECIAL COP IN ACTION is coming out but not HIGH CRIME?
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SPECIAL COP IN ACTION is coming out but not HIGH CRIME?
Neither are coming out. They want to release Argoman (http://www.lovelockandload.net/forum/index.php?topic=2702.msg75241#msg75241) instead
Maybe I should split off and merge all the off topic posts with the Argoman thread?
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Or a Dorado films topic?
Anyway, it's sad that Dorado hold rights for such great films and don't seem to have a clue on how to handle them. I really like Oli's Kickstarter idea, but if Dorado decide to do it the way they've outlined in in their blog, we're not going to get to see any of the crime titles at all. I really can't see Argoman making the $4000 target. Argoman is a niche title among niche titles and it really doesn't give you a poor indication on how the crime titles would sell. It's like releasing a metal album to test the waters for an upcoming hip-hop release. Couldn't they at least chose High Crime as the Kickstarter project since it wasn't one of the titles mentioned for the box set anyway?
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New thread created so as to save any further confusion. :-X
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I really can't see Argoman making the $4000 target.
They're actually looking for $40,000!
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They woke up shortly after.
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A crazy amount of money. You can get a good HD transfer with full grade done for under 10K if you shop around. DVD and BD authoring can be found for under a grand too.
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A crazy amount of money. You can get a good HD transfer with full grade done for under 10K if you shop around. DVD and BD authoring can be found for under a grand too.
Makes you wonder if they know anything about the industry at all, eh? :-* :-\
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As for standard def, we can get done here in London for under 2k.
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Hmm i asked Blue Underground a few years back if they plan on releasing "HIGH CRIME", they replied "we would love to, if we had the rights".
DORADO should sell the rights to BU and with the money finance some bits of ARGOMAN and/or the Merli Box-Set !?
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I would love to see Argoman released on BD. 8)
Here's hoping this release ends up happening.
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Dorado has a lot of rights but territories are split on many with Studio Canal. In addition to this, Studio Canal hold the film element materials.
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The Kickstarter for ARGOMAN is up ...
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/doradofilms/argoman-the-fantastic-superman-1967-on-blu-ray-and (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/doradofilms/argoman-the-fantastic-superman-1967-on-blu-ray-and)
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The Kickstarter for ARGOMAN is up ...
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/doradofilms/argoman-the-fantastic-superman-1967-on-blu-ray-and (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/doradofilms/argoman-the-fantastic-superman-1967-on-blu-ray-and)
Backed it!
I hope the campaign is successful. I'm not so sure about selling advertisements for the disc though. When I purchase a disc with my money, the last thing I want is to watch advertisements. I know everytime I go to the cinema nowadays I have to sit through 10-15 minutes of publicity, but it makes no sense for home video formats.
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I backed it as well, mostly because I am hoping if this is succesful they will release A special Cop in Action, Violent Rome and Violent Naples... 8)
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$28,000 in 30 days? I don't think they stand much of a chance, especially in that time frame. I really can't see anything paying $2000 to advertise which they'll really need. Hope I'm proved wrong though.
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3 days in to the program and they're already up to $338. That's roughly $100 a day so if it carries on at this rate they should easily hit the $2,800 target in the 28 day time period.
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They're looking for $28,000 not $2,800. Quite what they need that much for I don't know.
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They're looking for $28,000 not $2,800. Quite what they need that much for I don't know.
The sleeves are going to have real gold leaf lettering for the title.
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They're looking for $28,000 not $2,800.
:-* I saw the correct figure but my brain couldn't accept it as a realistic target and just wouldn't let my hands type it out.
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They're looking for $28,000 not $2,800.
:-* I saw the correct figure but my brain couldn't accept it as a realistic target and just wouldn't let my hands type it out.
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I think it's the "empty pub" syndrome...when you go out on a pub crawl and find one that is dead, well you pass it by. A vicious circle. In this case folks will think "no way will they reach that", and not bother pledging, i.e. me for example, plus the title is a bit of a special one, so not many folks pledge. Should have went for some Merli and at a lower target!
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Should have went for some Merli and at a lower target!
::)
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I think it's the "empty pub" syndrome...when you go out on a pub crawl and find one that is dead, well you pass it by. A vicious circle. In this case folks will think "no way will they reach that", and not bother pledging, i.e. me for example, plus the title is a bit of a special one, so not many folks pledge. Should have went for some Merli and at a lower target!
I agree, however since they seem to be hell bend on getting this release out before they do a Eurocrime box I pledged trying to help out. I am afraid that if this will fail, and lets be honest it will, they will withdraw and might wait for quite a long time before they release the eurocrime box.
And since I cannot find a copy of Violent Rome/Violent Naples on DVD/BR with english sub titles I have my hope pinned on Dorado...(for the observant reader , there is a hint hided in the previous sentence)
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15 days to go...
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15 days to go...
Not looking good, is it?
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Not at all. A real shame but no surprise considering their approach. We know for a fact that a Eurocrime boxset would have got more than 15 pledges.
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The amount being asked for didn't help. Or the rewards on offer. The HG Lewis Kickstarter was much more realistic in what was wanted and offered.
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3 days left and only ~700$ pledged. That's harsh.
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There's no surprise.
Sadly I'm sure they won't do that again, therefore no Italian crime for us!
Why on earth did they go for such an obscure title?
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Sad but unsurprising. Looks like a missed opportunity, I am sure the crime films would have faired better. I might throw them another email urging them not to give up. If they don't end up releasing the crime films here's hoping that they will licence them to another label that would be willing to take a chance on them. I doubt Lustig would since he stated that the crime films didn't sell well.
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'Argoman' has been released on dvd, mine is on the way, what is more interesting is that to raise money for future releases they are selling dvdrs of their all their screeners,these come with artwork etc, so the first four are available and it seems 'special cop in action' will be available shortly. I would rather have a decent dvdr than nothing at all and fingers crossed if this works we may see a special edition further down the line
http://dorado-films.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/dorado-films-screeners-project-dvdrs.html (http://dorado-films.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/dorado-films-screeners-project-dvdrs.html)
EDIT - special cop.. is already available as well as loads more at this link. the argoman dvd is only 12$ and the screeners are only $6 which seems pretty fair to me.link here
http://doradofilms.com/store/all.php (http://doradofilms.com/store/all.php)
EDIT - appears to be 4:3 aspect ratio. anyone know the oar?
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Thanks for the info,I'd certainly like a decent dvd of Argoman. ::)
Btw what does "(Oregon Version)" mean?
Also I'll have to look into some of those screeners. :D
Think I already own Electra One in the "Bullets box"?
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I think they had a dvd launch in oregon, i think you get a pen and some other promotional bits, am I right in thinking 'special cop...' has had no dvd release? If so this is most welcome despite being from a 1" tape
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Ordered by copy Special Cop Feburary 15th, with no sign of it in the post, and no reply to my email inquiry from the site. Beginning to get worried/miffed. >:(
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So the ARGOMAN release is a real DVD then? If it is, I might get it but I'm not interested in paying for some watermarked DVD-R screener of sub-par quality to help them fund a better release. Their business strategy is just totally fucked!! :)
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So the ARGOMAN release is a real DVD then? If it is, I might get it but I'm not interested in paying for some watermarked DVD-R screener of sub-par quality to help them fund a better release. Their business strategy is just totally fucked!! :)
From what I understand, it is a real DVD, but it's not the "final" release.
This so-called "Oregon" edition was made for a recent theatrical screening, and features only an English audio track. It's implied that a new edition will be made available in the future, probably with additional audio options.
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So the ARGOMAN release is a real DVD then? If it is, I might get it but I'm not interested in paying for some watermarked DVD-R screener of sub-par quality to help them fund a better release. Their business strategy is just totally fucked!! :)
Its not all that different to what the majors are doing with their MOD programmes, but i agree the watermarking is a bit of a pain. I guess they are also hoping to gauge popularity of titles?
I have seen some good quality dvds from 1" tapes, code reds 'mardi gras massacre' springs to mind, but the aspect ratio is a concern.
But for $6 you cant really moan, there are still people like me who dont download torrents or dont have access to good trades so if this is the best option for the time being then so be it
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Its not all that different to what the majors are doing with their MOD programmes
The difference being that with Warner Archives etc is all they are doing. They aren't releasing MOD product to raise money to release the films again.
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Ordered by copy Special Cop Feburary 15th, with no sign of it in the post, and no reply to my email inquiry from the site. Beginning to get worried/miffed. >:(
Me too. Not impressed!
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Ordered by copy Special Cop Feburary 15th, with no sign of it in the post, and no reply to my email inquiry from the site. Beginning to get worried/miffed. >:(
Me too. Not impressed!
Me three. If I've not had anything soon I'll just open a claim.
They look like a shower of shite company, anyway.
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Looks like Dorado is as incompetent in the Blu field as the DVD arena.
Reading NIGHT OF THE SCORPION looks worse than than the Franco's.
Not much chance of them ever seeing a penny of support from my pocket.
They make Code Red look like Criterion.
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Jess Franco Vol 2 up for pre oder.
No aspect ratio nfo on their site......
Pre-order here: https://doradofilms.video/
(https://s11.postimg.org/ekship30z/jf2.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/fzu27f43z/)