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Title: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: babybreese on 27 Sep 2012 - 17:18
Initial reports indicate Hammer added digital effects to replace the spider and angel of death ( plus some other little bits ).  They are not including the original version either.
I have yet to pick any of these ( waiting for the rumoured but may never happen R1 release ) and am at a loss to understand why Hammer would do this ( except to assume the peopele running things are NOT fans and this is a purely profit driven affair).
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: Hellochas on 27 Sep 2012 - 19:31
What a blunder!
 
Should have had the choice of both. There's nothing wrong with a little tampering years later by the film makers (and including the original version so as to not re-write history), but this smacks of contemptable vandalism!  :-[
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: gnorthcott on 27 Sep 2012 - 19:48
I know it doesn't sound good. Jonathon Rigby stated on the b.h.forum that they are vary subtle, so i will reserve judgement till i have actually seen it, but i dont like the sound of it at all. The decent thing to do would be to include the untouched original version also.

'TDRO' is probably my favourite hammer (along side 'quatermass and the pit') and the effects are not great tbh, but it's all part of the charm, and there are ropey effects in a lot of the hammer films so....
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: g053584398 on 01 Oct 2012 - 01:28
If the new release does involve such tinkering then that is a diabolical state of affairs. I despise it when films are altered 'after the fact' to include different visual effects or what have you. The Devil Rides Out is one of the great Hammer films as well.
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: MarcMorris on 01 Oct 2012 - 13:07
Screen shot comparisons (http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/09/28/blog-enhanced-effects-restoration-or-desecration/2/)
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: Jonny on 01 Oct 2012 - 13:33
Screen shot comparisons (http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/09/28/blog-enhanced-effects-restoration-or-desecration/2/)

Doesn't seem that bad.
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: MarcMorris on 01 Oct 2012 - 13:46
Quite well done IMO. Chris Lee aways used to complain about how poor they looked and said they could be made to look better with modern tech - he got his wish.
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: Hellochas on 01 Oct 2012 - 18:22
Must say, they have been done with great picture integrity. Hope the extras feature the original scenes, just for historical purposes.
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: gnorthcott on 01 Oct 2012 - 22:14
To be honest I couldn't care less whether they improve the fim or not, what angers me, and everybody else I can imagine, is that they didn't include the original on the blu ray. People should have a choice no?

I cancelled my pre order and definately wont purchase this
Title: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: the blob on 02 Oct 2012 - 03:37
To be honest I couldn't care less whether they improve the fim or not, what angers me, and everybody else I can imagine, is that they didn't include the original on the blu ray. People should have a choice no?


It would certainly have saved all the grief. I'm not a fan of the 'bathed in blue light' entrance. I like it coming from nowhere into the dark room. Nothing wrong with that at all. I probably doubt Fisher would have been after that effect either. As I said in the other thread, the only problem I've ever had with the Angel of Death sequence is the looping which makes the horse look like it's doing some silly dance.

I'm sure if these revisions hadn't been done, any fan of the film wouldn't give a toss and I also doubt that they'll bring a new legion of fans.

I just watched FRANKENSTEIN on BD with all it's creases and folds in the backdrops plainly evident and it didn't matter one bit to me.
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: gnorthcott on 02 Oct 2012 - 16:14
Thats what is slightly confusing,that they are quite happy to put two different versions of both 'frankenstein' and 'rasputin' on the br's but then didn't here, they must have expected at least some dissaproval with this version being the only option.

As i said they can do as much or as little as they want in terms of messing about just as long as they inc an unedited version on the disc.

Sorry if i am coming across like a troll or something it's just this is one of my favourite films and i am bitterly dissapointed
Title: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: the blob on 02 Oct 2012 - 19:01
A little off topic but now we have a bit of an unnerving first review of CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN.

http://www.cathoderaytube.co.uk/2012/10/british-cult-classics-curse-of.html?m=1 (http://www.cathoderaytube.co.uk/2012/10/british-cult-classics-curse-of.html?m=1)

Always a bit worrying when someone says the DVD version looks a little sharper. Framing of the 1.66:1 version looks a bit shit too. Saw a screenshot comparison between this and the old Warner 1.85:1 DVD and that had more headroom whereas this looks like there's too much at the bottom.
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: Jonny on 02 Oct 2012 - 19:21
I'm going to be buying all these Hammer blus as I don't have them on DVD.
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: gnorthcott on 02 Oct 2012 - 19:40
Oh definately.Hammer is my primary interest,over and above cinema from mainland europe. I have pre ordered them all and will continue to do so,but not 'tdro' i'm afraid.

I will say one thing though,it's amazing how varied peoples thoughts are when it comes to reviewing blu rays.Having just read that review of 'curse...' I was pleased to see the reviewer go on about how fantastic the 'quatermass and the pit' blu ray was, I have said from the minute i first watched the disc until now that it is the most pristine looking hd transfer of a catalogue title in my collection(roughly 200 br's),but countless times I have seen people online complain that it's problematic  ???
Title: Re: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: Jonny on 02 Oct 2012 - 19:58
Oh definately.Hammer is my primary interest,over and above cinema from mainland europe. I have pre ordered them all and will continue to do so,but not 'tdro' i'm afraid.

I will say one thing though,it's amazing how varied peoples thoughts are when it comes to reviewing blu rays.Having just read that review of 'curse...' I was pleased to see the reviewer go on about how fantastic the 'quatermass and the pit' blu ray was, I have said from the minute i first watched the disc until now that it is the most pristine looking hd transfer of a catalogue title in my collection(roughly 200 br's),but countless times I have seen people online complain that it's problematic  ???

I'll be leaving judgment of blurays to my own eyes. I've yet to get a player or an hd telly but I've read so much bullshit that I don't trust anyone. One of my main bugbears is this talk of grain and the presence of it being 'natural' for film prints. In my fifteen years experience as a 35mm projectionist I can't recall seeing a grainy print on a cinema screen, even with archive prints.
Title: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: Paul on 02 Oct 2012 - 20:01
There are a lot of shit talkers doing the rounds. Some of the most contentious transfers have looked fine to me.
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Post by: Jonny on 02 Oct 2012 - 20:09
There are a lot of shit talkers doing the rounds. Some of the most contentious transfers have looked fine to me.

That's why when I finally go hd after Christmas I'll buy discs I'm interested in and watch them for myself before making judgement. Just like I did/do with DVDs, I never held off buying a DVD while waiting for an online review.
Title: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: the blob on 02 Oct 2012 - 20:13
Quatermass looked amazing to me. I didn't even have much of a problem with DPOD. It still looked mikes better than any other version I've seen.

It just irks me a bit when surely someone who's being paid to do a transfer doesn't have the foresight to run a comparison or take some hints from one that's already been done as in CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN. It's not that much effort surely and it just looks like it was given to someone who doesn't really know what they're doing. 
Title: Re: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: Jonny on 02 Oct 2012 - 20:26
Quatermass looked amazing to me. I didn't even have much of a problem with DPOD. It still looked mikes better than any other version I've seen.

It just irks me a bit when surely someone who's being paid to do a transfer doesn't have the foresight to run a comparison or take some hints from one that's already been done as in CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN. It's not that much effort surely and it just looks like it was given to someone who doesn't really know what they're doing.

It is truly baffling about the massive fubars as regards QC control goes, there's some real puzzlers lately - the NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD 90 blu springs to mind. It doesn't help that it was a limited edition that sold out on pre order so no one could actually get their copy before realising it had 'issues'. Saying that I would have taken a punt on it if I was interested in the film.
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: Mark (UK) on 03 Oct 2012 - 09:23
I seem to be quite fortunate in that I don't see 99% of the picture "problems" that people complain about. I was strongly advised not to buy the Tremors blu, but I love it, looks perfect to me.
As for The Devil Rides Out, as most people have said, I can't believe that they didn't think to include the original version, it just seems a bonkers decision. Don't they know that George Lucas went from hero to public enemy number 1?  :-\
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: Mark GW on 22 Sep 2020 - 23:02
I recently picked up this Anolis double Blu-Ray.

http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23808&d=1574610350

http://icatchermedia.de/WebRoot/Store13/Shops/55133b9d-0ac5-4283-a6ed-a02f38f08fc4/5DDB/6F71/E1F7/93DF/BA2C/0A48/3537/9F7F/Shop_DevilRidesOut_Softbox_Pack.png

Image Format: High definition widescreen (16:9 1,66:1) 1920 x1080p
Sound Format: German DTS HD-Ma 2.0 Mono / ENGLISH DTS HD-Ma 2.0 mono
Subtitles: German (hidden)
Length: 96 min. (24 FPS)

Double Disc Edition (2 Blu-Rays) with original cinema frame on disc 1 and restored version on disc 2.

Bonus: Audio Commentary with Christopher Lee, Sarah Lawson and Marcus Hearn / audio commentary with Dr. Rolf Giesen and uwe sommerlad / restored film version / Black Magic: the making of ' the devil rides out ' / ' Dennis Wheatley at hammer / the power of light: Restoring ' the devil rides out ' / American cinema trailer / British cinema trailer / Super-8 Version / us title sequence / French advertising advice / Picture Gallery

Incl. 32-page booklet written by Dr. Rolf Giesen and uwe sommerlad (exclusively included in the mediabook).

The quality of the prints are outstanding. A really nice bonus is the Super-8 mm version in English. Highly recommended as are all the Anolis Hammer Editions.
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: Funktion on 23 Sep 2020 - 23:52
Thanks for your impressions, Mark GW.  ;)

I was unaware this release was now available in a regular keepcase.

I'll add it to my basket, the next time I order from Amazon.de.  :P
Title: Re: DEVIL RIDES OUT Blu has new digital effects ( yuck )
Post by: Mark GW on 02 Oct 2020 - 00:32
Thanks for your impressions, Mark GW.  ;)

I was unaware this release was now available in a regular keepcase.

I'll add it to my basket, the next time I order from Amazon.de.  :P

You're more than welcome.  ;D

QuatermassII has just come out (literally dropped on my doormat this morning). It too, looks fantastic. Bundled with really nice extras including an English Super 8 version, english comic reproduction as a slide show, original Val Guest commentary, and the 2 German experts (who really know their stuff) give additional commentaries in both English and German!

The great thing about these Anolis releases is if there has been a problem with the video or audio of the film in a previous release (not unknown with these Hammer Blu-rays), they take the time and effort to sort them out. Apparently, there were contrast issues with QuatermassII which have now been rectified.