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Title: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 23 Jun 2014 - 11:28

Donators:

[paid] Farmer £10 or £15
[paid] Scyther
[paid] Kevin Coed: £20
[paid] Jonny £20
[paid] Peter Euro 30
[paid] Quidtum Euro 50
[paid] Broonage Euro 10
[paid] Smileysmile18 £30
[paid] Inspector Tanzi Euro 10
[paid] Boxcutter Euro 40
[paid] Nuno Euro 15
[paid] Luca Canali Euro 10
[paid] Matt Blake £20
[paid] Russell22 Euro 10
[paid] Rabbitroom Euro 50
[paid] BDC Euro 20
[paid] Oli £100
[paid] Funktion Euro 20
[paid] Dr. Miaow £20
[paid] Johan 20 Euro
[paid] DocBlubberish 35 Euro

CG

Rocco12
Asano
Aloysius
Wilpak
Pipipip
knucklelullaby

Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: rabbitroom on 23 Jun 2014 - 16:00
Just sent my contribution, thanks again!
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 23 Jun 2014 - 16:09
Just sent my contribution, thanks again!

Thanks Rabbitroom - list graciously updated!
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Post by: Russell22 on 24 Jun 2014 - 07:20
Just sent my contribution this morning
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 24 Jun 2014 - 08:02
Thanks Russell22, appreciated!
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Post by: DjangoLi on 24 Jun 2014 - 16:53
A few more donations today - Thanks guys, we should hopefully be near the target by the end of the week.

I just want to say thanks to all the people here who have contributed - it really seems like you guys are the only people who actually care about restoring these films. Thank you!
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 24 Jun 2014 - 21:08
...just when I had given up hope!

4 new donations from CG - we are almost there! At this point I'm going to call the guy and aim for collection next Wednesday. We're just a few more donations from having this in the bag (and getting me out of the poorhouse!)

Note: If there's anyone on the list above who can't pay by the weekend, please let me know - I know what it's like to be utterly skint (hey, it's the story of my life!) but it's best we know now so we can try and cover it beforehand. Oli, Kevin and Quidtum have already kept me updated. Not sure about the rest? (also, as above - if you've paid and I haven't marked it down, just send me a message and I'll update the list!)

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Post by: quidtum on 25 Jun 2014 - 12:10
Just done, mate!  :D
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Post by: broonage on 25 Jun 2014 - 13:52
It'll be at the end of the month too .
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 26 Jun 2014 - 00:12
Thanks for the updates.... it's been a long day!

I called the guy today and I should hopefully be collecting the reels and discs next Wednesday so there's still time Broonage, no problem.

Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 28 Jun 2014 - 16:23
Okay, ready to collect on Wednesday - but I still have the following donations outstanding:

Broonage Euro 10
Smileysmile18 £30
Kevin Coed: £20
Nuno Euro 15
Matt Blake £20
Funktion Euro 20

If I can get these payments we're all clear - the CG crew managed to cover all of my share (200 euros) so it's just the ones above.

Except for Kevin - I haven't heard from any of the others. If there are any problems making payment, just let me know so I can prepare in time.

Also, if you've paid before, just let me know and I'll mark it as paid.

Time is tight people, just 4 more days... Bear in mind I need to transfer the cash from PayPal to my bank account and then to my dad's account where he'll give me euros out here.... the transferring part takes minutes, but he can only take out 'x' amount every day so it will be spread out over Sunday, Mon, Tues... Wednesday will be tricky because we're out in Rome early and collecting the prints (still in Rome) later that evening.

We're almost there... but I need to hear from the others above.

Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: Nuno on 29 Jun 2014 - 12:26
Okay, ready to collect on Wednesday - but I still have the following donations outstanding:

Broonage Euro 10
Smileysmile18 £30
Kevin Coed: £20
Nuno Euro 15
Matt Blake £20
Funktion Euro 20

If I can get these payments we're all clear - the CG crew managed to cover all of my share (200 euros) so it's just the ones above.

Except for Kevin - I haven't heard from any of the others. If there are any problems making payment, just let me know so I can prepare in time.

Also, if you've paid before, just let me know and I'll mark it as paid.

Time is tight people, just 4 more days... Bear in mind I need to transfer the cash from PayPal to my bank account and then to my dad's account where he'll give me euros out here.... the transferring part takes minutes, but he can only take out 'x' amount every day so it will be spread out over Sunday, Mon, Tues... Wednesday will be tricky because we're out in Rome early and collecting the prints (still in Rome) later that evening.

We're almost there... but I need to hear from the others above.
Hi mate,
Just sent my contribution, sorry about the late...thank you!
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 29 Jun 2014 - 12:27
Thanks Nuno, I'll update the list now  :P

Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: Kevin Coed on 29 Jun 2014 - 18:09
Done. Sorry for the delay. Completely forgot.
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 29 Jun 2014 - 19:38
Thanks Kevin! Payment received... almost there!
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 30 Jun 2014 - 14:31
Thanks Broonage and Matt, just two left to go!

Again, it's possible Funktion and SmileySmile paid before? I just need confirmation.
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: smileysmile18 on 30 Jun 2014 - 19:14
I just paid just now!

Sorry, I always check "new replies to my posts" to see if there's been any update, didn't realise a new thread had been started.
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 30 Jun 2014 - 21:11
Cheers Smiley, payment received - the fundraiser is pretty much over and I'm getting the cash together now.

A massive thank you to everyone who donated, both here and at CG - without this group effort it would have been impossible.

It's been a long battle - lots of driving around dropping of cans of 35mm film prints, many (many) phone calls, and lots of forum posts... but it looks like we've made it.

I'm collecting the prints on Wednesday and I'll update with some screen caps in the evening - but it will be late (after 22:00) Beyond that, I need to get the subs ready and prepare everything, just like before.

My adventures in telecine land will soon be over - this is also pretty much my swansong for Italian cinema. I've done hardly any subbing this year and I have two projects for friends to finish off and that's the end of it.

Yeah, I know.. I know, you've heard it all before  :P But the sad truth is that I just haven't done anything for ages... and for once it actually looks like it's going to stay that way. I think I've subbed about 4 films this year? I used to sub 4 films a month, to put that into perspective. The enthusiasm really has gone, but this time it's in a positive way and actually feels like the natural end of my subbing endeavors.

It's nice to go out with a bang with these two telecines - especially with 'Le Salamandre' which I'm most proud of... arguably Cavallone's most commercially successful film - and we're righting a wrong here because it really did just fly off the radar since it was released back in 69'. It feels good what we're doing here.

Okay, see you all on Wednesday.  ::)
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 30 Jun 2014 - 22:22
...and thank you Funktion - donation received!

The list is complete  ::)
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 02 Jul 2014 - 20:22
Okay guys, just got home with all the material... chucked in the discs and the results aren't good.

There has been no attempt to correct the colours and they don't look good. I'll post some caps in a bit.

I'm going to call the guy at the lab tomorrow and see what we can do - to put this in perspective 'Due Occhi Per Uccidere' looks like a 4k Bluray restoration in comparison.

He did say if I wasn't happy with the transfers he'd do them again - so that's what I'm going to discuss tomorrow.

I feel really let down here because there's no way I'd have considered a restoration if the results were going to be like this. The 'only' good thing about them is the detail/definition, that's great - albeit scratched (again, he told me these were in better shape than 'Due Occhi...' but I can only assume he didn't bother cleaning them properly either.

Not a happy bunny. Expect updates soon.
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 02 Jul 2014 - 21:41
(http://thumbnails109.imagebam.com/33643/439e7a336421592.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/439e7a336421592)

(http://thumbnails109.imagebam.com/33643/809c07336421624.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/809c07336421624)

(http://thumbnails112.imagebam.com/33643/643149336421710.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/643149336421710)

(http://thumbnails109.imagebam.com/33643/549070336421660.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/549070336421660)

This snapshot below is actually a brief 'flicker' where you can see the correct colours (just about) This is close to what this should actually look like. What's happened here is that the guy doing the telecine couldn't be bothered to correct the colours (at all) If I'd known I was getting something slightly, but not much, better than 'black and white' there's no way in hell I would have agreed to this...

(http://thumbnails111.imagebam.com/33643/97f338336421685.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/97f338336421685)
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: Luca Canali on 02 Jul 2014 - 22:14
Ah, that's a bit of a pity mate. As you say, the level of detail on Tutto sul Rosso looks good (more so than the TV recording). If they can re-do it to get even a bit of colour back in, it would still be ok. How does Salamandre look in comparison, is it pretty much the same?
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 02 Jul 2014 - 23:11
Ah, that's a bit of a pity mate. As you say, the level of detail on Tutto sul Rosso looks good (more so than the TV recording). If they can re-do it to get even a bit of colour back in, it would still be ok. How does Salamandre look in comparison, is it pretty much the same?

The detail on 'Le Salamandre' is great, looks nice and sharp... is it any better? Nope, it's pretty much black and white - or grey and white.

What annoys me is that a few times on the phone he mentioned how he thought they looked 'better' in black and white - but I never, at any point, said I agreed. They're colour films - if the colour isn't there then he should have told me straight away, and there's no way in hell I'd have said "yes, go ahead and do it." Not in a million years. They did such a fantastic job with 'Due Occhi...' believe me, this is the last thing I was expecting.

Like I said earlier - he said if I wasn't happy he'd do them again, so now I'm just hoping he's true to his word.
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: Jonny on 03 Jul 2014 - 06:16
Hopefully he can take another stab at it but if not it's still not the end of the world. Better to have the them like this than not at all.
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 03 Jul 2014 - 10:17
Okay, the good news is everyone's money is safe. Luckily we went through a mutual friend and she still has it - I've told her not to hand over any cash until I'm happy with the work.

So, so far nothing lost... although not much gained either.

You know, I could live with 'Tutto Sul Rosso' (just about) but 'Le Salamandre' really is 95% black and white and this is something he should've mentioned after inspecting the first reel way back at the start. He didn't, in fact he said the complete opposite telling me the print was in good shape.

Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: Funktion on 03 Jul 2014 - 10:59
Again, it's possible Funktion and SmileySmile paid before? I just need confirmation.
When I paid on Monday, I was in a hurry to leave to the airport, so I didn't have time to write.
But since I just returned, I just wanted to apologize for the delay with the payment, but I never received any contact regarding the funds, with your payment details, until this "last notice", that's why I didn't send you the money previously (I was waiting for the go ahead from you). Cheers ;D
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 03 Jul 2014 - 11:13
Again, it's possible Funktion and SmileySmile paid before? I just need confirmation.

When I paid on Monday, I was in a hurry to leave to the airport, so I didn't have time to write.
But since I just returned, I just wanted to apologize for the delay with the payment, but I never received any contact regarding the funds, with your payment details, until this "last notice", that's why I didn't send you the money previously (I was waiting for the go ahead from you). Cheers ;D


Absolutely no problem at all Funktion - I just wish things had worked out a bit better at the lab...

Here are two comparison caps of 'Le Salamandre', as promised.

Telecine from VHS (date unknown, but it's been around for many years)

(http://thumbnails109.imagebam.com/33654/1b84ce336530540.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/1b84ce336530540)

Our 2014 Telecine

(http://thumbnails111.imagebam.com/33654/68a664336530110.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/68a664336530110)

What I suspect has happened is that the guy at the lab can clean/repair and telecine film prints but he doesn't know how to use the colour correction console - and he didn't ask the guy who does know how to use it to help (hence the 'under-the-counter' aspect of all this) Talking to him on the phone he's telling me there's colour in 'Le Salamandre' and pointing to brief flashes of 'blue' or 'pink' that appear almost never...  The detail, though, is outstanding - and I'm 99% sure the colour is fine as well - he just tried to palm off these copies hoping I wouldn't notice. I should have noticed the alarm bells when he would casually slip into our conversations "I'd have done them in black and white" - I really should have woken up a bit... but man, I wasn't expecting this.

So, not all is lost.

With everyone's blessing I'd like to explore two other options - the first is in Rome and it's through a film industry veteran (Mario Bava's camera operator, no less) who knows someone who runs one of the other big labs in Rome. If that's cool with everyone I'll start looking into it next week.

Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 03 Jul 2014 - 11:29
Better to have the them like this than not at all.
Sure is.
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 03 Jul 2014 - 11:32
Better to have the them like this than not at all.
Sure is.

The point is that we do have them - and in infinitely better quality. Would you rather watch the film tinted blue or the soft - but full colour - telecine from VHS?

I can't see anyone watching these telecines with both prints on the table. Even a 'hint' of colour would have been fine, but what we're looking at here is no effort (at all) to even try and bring back the colour, rendering them almost useless. Holding up the 35mm print of 'Le Salamandre' under the light and you can see the colour is still there.
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: Jonny on 03 Jul 2014 - 13:09
Better to have the them like this than not at all.
Sure is.

The point is that we do have them - and in infinitely better quality. Would you rather watch the film tinted blue or the soft - but full colour - telecine from VHS?

I can't see anyone watching these telecines with both prints on the table. Even a 'hint' of colour would have been fine, but what we're looking at here is no effort (at all) to even try and bring back the colour, rendering them almost useless. Holding up the 35mm print of 'Le Salamandre' under the light and you can see the colour is still there.

Fair enough, I wasn't aware there was already a copy available!
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 03 Jul 2014 - 16:51
Okay, it's been one fuck of a day - the guy at the lab has been trying every trick under the sun to say he was right, blindly ignoring the fact (that I keep repeating to him) that he never at any point told me the telecines would be either all blue (Le Salamandre) or pink (Tutto Sul Rosso) - even going as far as to get his mate at the lab to pretend to be his father... seriously.

Realising that I have much better things to to do with my time we went on a two hour round trip drive to Rome to get the money from our mutual friend - the money is now here. As a token gesture of kindness (although why the fuck I'm being kind to him I'm still not sure...) we left 200 euros to cover what little work he put into the transfer, the plastic boxes and washing the reels (although I suspect he didn't even clean Le Salamandre completely) Either way, the money is safe and we need to move forward. I'm going to call up about the second lab tomorrow and the plan is to take 1 reel from each and have them evaluated.

As always, I'll keep everyone updated as the news comes in.

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Post by: drmiaow on 04 Jul 2014 - 09:48
I'm sorry that this is becoming so difficult for you. Thanks for all your hard work and dedication, and stay positive. I'm sure it will be worth it.
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 04 Jul 2014 - 11:56
I'm sorry that this is becoming so difficult for you. Thanks for all your hard work and dedication, and stay positive. I'm sure it will be worth it.

Well, it's certainly keeping me on my toes! I was upset when I finally saw the transfers, but things are okay now - at the end of the day the lab did do a wonderful job with 'Due Occhi Per Uccidere' - just for that alone, I'm happy with the way things have gone, even if it went south at the end.

Good news, in the meanwhile I've been contacted by someone who has offered to help - I'll be sending a test reel from 'Tutto Sui Rosso' tomorrow to test the waters. This could be good...

Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 23 Jul 2014 - 22:20
Thought it best to keep everyone updated on this...

The reel hasn't been sent - I'm now (finally!) going to get that done tomorrow morning... Just been really busy lately... Then we'll wait and see what the results are.

Flicking through 'Tutto Sul Rosso' I'm still convinced there's some decent colour in there so - if this goes well, and I'm right - we can ask them to have a look at 'Le Salamandre'. It's a tough call here because until we get a second opinion we don't know if the colours really are faded (beyond repair) or not. I'll post as soon as I get feedback from the test reel I'm sending.

Something interesting I noticed just now, comparing the two existing copies of 'Tutto Sul Rosso' - notice just how much information has been cropped from the sides of the TV cap, it's quite a chunk missing.

(http://thumbnails111.imagebam.com/34074/9e2e7d340735116.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/9e2e7d340735116)

(http://thumbnails112.imagebam.com/34074/020966340735148.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/020966340735148)

Having calmed down a bit from the initial shock, I think it's probably best to hand over another 200 euros for the original telecines - not for the transfers, but the actual work they did cleaning the reels and fixing the splices. They did do a good job there, to be fair.

This leaves 400 from the fund for postage for the reels and other options down the line.

I'm not giving up until I'm 100% sure we have the best transfers possible...

Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: Kevin Coed on 24 Jul 2014 - 21:04
No probs. Do what you think you need to do.
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 26 Jul 2014 - 11:35
Just to confirm (and after a long delay!) the test reel from 'Tutto Sul Rosso' has been sent to Germany this morning. It should arrive within a week (or so).

I'll update when we get some feedback.

Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: ScreenDwellers on 30 Jul 2014 - 19:37
hi there

Is there still an option to donate?

If so, to which paypal address?
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 30 Jul 2014 - 19:46
hi there

Is there still an option to donate?

If so, to which paypal address?

The target was reached - no need to donate! (but thanks for offering!)

Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: ScreenDwellers on 30 Jul 2014 - 19:48
Will I be able to get a copy of the films though? I don't know how I missed this thread. :(
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 30 Jul 2014 - 19:55
The first telecines didn't quite come out as expected - I'm assuming no colour correction was done to the reels leaving them all pretty much one colour. A test reel from 'Tutto Sul Rosso' (All On The Red) has been sent to a second lab in Germany for a second opinion.

We're playing the waiting game again.

Eventually the copies will be available to everyone, just like the previous telecine transfer (Due Occhi Per Uccidere) earlier in the year.

Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 07 Aug 2014 - 19:41
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have colour.  :P

(http://thumbnails112.imagebam.com/34365/58f3d3343643581.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/58f3d3343643581)

(http://thumbnails111.imagebam.com/34365/d914af343643600.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/d914af343643600)

(http://thumbnails112.imagebam.com/34365/00eeae343643619.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/00eeae343643619)

Note that the clip I've been sent is very low-res, this was a test to see how well the colour could be restored.

What can I say? Fortune seems to have smiled on us here - the offer of a second telecine at another lab has worked out great - and proves the guy at the lab in Italy was bullshitting me when he said the colour simply wasn't there (deterioration) - He just couldn't be bothered to actually do the colour restoration as I suspected from the start.

So, with everyone's blessing I'd like to send the rest of the reels to the lab and the remaining cash (about 500 euros once postage is out of the way) to this new lab.

I'm eternally grateful to a friend over at CG for doing all this - if there's any thanks or praise here, it's all his. Thank you!

I'm off camping with the wife tomorrow - I'll be back on Sunday/Monday and over the next few weeks start work on getting the materials sent out.

As always, any updates will be posted here as I get them.

Almost forgot... I dug myself out of fansub retirement and I'll be posting English subs for 'Yellow - Le Cugine' some time next week. Something for everyone to pass the time while we wait this out... It's still going to take a while with the telecines before it's all done and dusted.

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Post by: demented_uk on 07 Aug 2014 - 22:47
Looking great! Glad your persistence has paid off.
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 08 Aug 2014 - 13:00
Looking great! Glad your persistence has paid off.
Indeed  ::)
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Post by: rabbitroom on 08 Aug 2014 - 18:53
Wow, I think that improvement is worth a legitimate "HOLY SHIT!"

Excellent news! Really looking forward to the finished products!
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 11 Aug 2014 - 21:29
Friends, Romans, Captain Findus...

Just had details back from our dude negotiating with laboratory number 2 - It was originally offered for free but, as I said in a post above, I figured it's only fair that all the money raised (minus the 200 to lab 1) should go to the new lab - as they're doing the work.

So, the two contacts have been chatting and it's been mutually agreed that 700 euros will cover both transfers. I'll cover the difference and postage costs, etc - so there's no need for anyone to donate anything more.

To be fair, the original quote was 500 euros SD and 2500 euros HD - so we are still, just like before, getting an incredibly good deal here. It was explained to the guy at the lab that this is a fan project, funded by fans - for fans - and this is why we've been given the deal.

Hats off to our friend for negotiating all this - as you've all probably figured out by now, it's quite a rollercoaster coordinating something like this. We really owe both our contact and the guy at the lab - both of whom are following this thread - so thanks guys, from me on behalf of everyone here.

One more thing - Whilst I did suspect that 'Tutto Sul Rosso' was in far better shape than I was lead to believe, I'm still worried that 'Le Salamandre' may not fare so well. I'll be sending up a test reel to know for sure but, if I'm right, then we could opt to telecine the giallo 'Giochi Erotici di una Famiglia per Bene' instead - we're still missing a decent Italian language copy, and this could be the solution. We'll find out after we get the feedback from the test reel...

I'll be posting the rest of 'Tutto Sul Rosso' this week - we'll be working on this one film at a time.

Over unt out.

Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 23 Sep 2014 - 11:47
Okay, after one heck of a long delay I was able to finally post out the remaining three reels of 'Tutto Sul Rosso' to our guy collaborating with lab number two.

I expect the reels to arrive some time next week.

Why has it taken so long?

Truth is I've been busy as hell with work and I was down with a savage ear infection for a long while... It's been hectic, to say the least.

Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 23 Sep 2014 - 12:26
It takes as long as it takes  :D
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: Hellochas on 27 Sep 2014 - 04:10
Wow! What an amazing job the guys in Germany did!  ;)
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 27 Sep 2014 - 20:59
Wow! What an amazing job the guys in Germany did!  ;)

I agree, it really is amazing - but at the same time I was really upset with the Italian lab because if I had taken their word for it I would have considered the reels junk - it's depressing to be honest...

How many complete 35mm prints of these films are still around? Most were destroyed either through constant use or physically scrapped by the distributors. Umberto Lenzi told me these films had an average shelf-life of about five years... beyond storing one print in the national archives (by law) they really were considered a perishable commodity.

Like I said, incredibly happy about the prospect of this new transfer - but also upset at the same time. I just hope Le Salamandre is good as well... although we can fall back on 'Giochi Erotici di una Famiglia per Bene' if it isn't - but that's the one I'm really crossing my fingers for. I had a good feeling about 'All on the Red' looking at the telecine, I could see some colour there - but Le Salamandre looks washed out, but I don't know if they just wiped out the colours to make it all one tone (grey/blue) It's a tough call.
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 10 Dec 2014 - 17:54
Just want to update everyone with the news that there are indeed no new updates!

As before we're waiting for the lab - I want to thank everyone for their patience and, in the meanwhile, I'm going to try and send the 'first attempt' telecines to Dario so at least they can be shared amongst the donators in the meanwhile. I'm also going to try and sort out something extra (subbed film, if you're wondering) to thank everyone for waiting this long... If you have any requests, now's a good time because I'll have three weeks off work over Christmas.

You know, between telecine attempt number one in Italy (aka "operation fuck up") and number two - this entire process has taken just over a year and in this time nobody has ever messaged me to hurry things up, etc - I appreciate it. God knows, it's been a tough enough year as it is with work, etc.

So, nothing new - but the print is in very safe hands and I'm optimistic our patience will eventually be rewarded!
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 11 Dec 2014 - 14:18
Just want to update everyone with the news that there are indeed no new updates!

As before we're waiting for the lab - I want to thank everyone for their patience and, in the meanwhile, I'm going to try and send the 'first attempt' telecines to Dario so at least they can be shared amongst the donators in the meanwhile. I'm also going to try and sort out something extra (subbed film, if you're wondering) to thank everyone for waiting this long... If you have any requests, now's a good time because I'll have three weeks off work over Christmas.

You know, between telecine attempt number one in Italy (aka "operation fuck up") and number two - this entire process has taken just over a year and in this time nobody has ever messaged me to hurry things up, etc - I appreciate it. God knows, it's been a tough enough year as it is with work, etc.

So, nothing new - but the print is in very safe hands and I'm optimistic our patience will eventually be rewarded!
It takes as long as it takes  :'(
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Post by: Russell22 on 12 Dec 2014 - 09:46
Just want to update everyone with the news that there are indeed no new updates!

As before we're waiting for the lab - I want to thank everyone for their patience and, in the meanwhile, I'm going to try and send the 'first attempt' telecines to Dario so at least they can be shared amongst the donators in the meanwhile. I'm also going to try and sort out something extra (subbed film, if you're wondering) to thank everyone for waiting this long... If you have any requests, now's a good time because I'll have three weeks off work over Christmas.

You know, between telecine attempt number one in Italy (aka "operation fuck up") and number two - this entire process has taken just over a year and in this time nobody has ever messaged me to hurry things up, etc - I appreciate it. God knows, it's been a tough enough year as it is with work, etc.

So, nothing new - but the print is in very safe hands and I'm optimistic our patience will eventually be rewarded!
It takes as long as it takes  :'(


Yeah I echo Aarron. Don't think anyone's in a rush. Look forward to it when it's done.
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Post by: DjangoLi on 20 Feb 2015 - 08:59


(http://thumbnails111.imagebam.com/39168/e5e007391672547.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/e5e007391672547)

(http://thumbnails109.imagebam.com/39168/1926f4391672623.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/1926f4391672623)

(http://thumbnails112.imagebam.com/39168/375d19391672731.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/375d19391672731)

(http://thumbnails109.imagebam.com/39168/b2bd92391672836.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/b2bd92391672836)

(http://thumbnails110.imagebam.com/39168/2c3524391672958.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/2c3524391672958)

Over a year later we now have telecine zwei in the can  :P

Any and all praise should be heaped upon Rocco in Germany and the guy at the lab who spent a long time trying to get the very best out of not so good materials. The transfer isn't perfect, the print is quite scratched - and there is one early scene that's clearly missing frames - but these amount to less than a few seconds. All in all I'd say they really have worked a miracle... and then some!

I'll be working with Dario over the coming weeks to get this one out there... almost there!

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Post by: Jonny on 20 Feb 2015 - 10:27
Those shots look really good mate! Excellent work
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Post by: Russell22 on 20 Feb 2015 - 11:31
Great news. Look forward to it  ;D
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Post by: demented_uk on 20 Feb 2015 - 18:39
Amazing work!
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Post by: DjangoLi on 24 Feb 2015 - 19:44
The 'Tutto Sul Rosso' telecine project is officially airborne!

You can grab it now from CG - If someone wants to create some WeTransfer links for the donators who aren't on CG, I'd really appreciate it.  :P

Massive thanks to everyone who helped out - and most of all to Rocco and our man in the lab in Germany - they went well beyond the call of duty with this one. As I mentioned before the materials weren't easy to work with and they've produced nothing short of a miracle with what they had. It isn't perfect, there are scratches, the colours are still somewhat faded - but when you compare this copy to the Italian telecine (caps were posted earlier in this thread) you can see just what a difference they've made with this new telecine.

As we move forward - I'm now more inclined to send up 'Giochi Erotici di una Famiglia Per Bene' - we still don't have a decent Italian audio track and I'm reasonably sure we've got better materials to work with. In contrast, I suspect 'Le Salamandre' is going to be difficult to work with (like Tutto Sul Rosso) I also think most people would rather sit through a 70's giallo. So, that should be project number zwei.

Thanks again everyone and I hope you enjoy Tutto Sul Rosso - it's a fun caper film with a dark film noir ending to cap it all off. The subs for this new telecine have been revised here and there to make things flow a little easier.

Right, next up I gotta sub some trailers for Paul before I fall asleep! (it's been a long day!)
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Post by: Peter on 24 Feb 2015 - 20:36
Downloading right now. Thanks for all your hard work on this one!
I imagine you've spent quite a few hours making the transfer happen. Glad to see it finally worked out and I really looking forward to checking it out.

btw, I'm the one to blame for the subbing of the trailers, not Paul :)
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Post by: Jonny on 25 Feb 2015 - 11:42
Nice one, thanks to all involved! I'll grab this when I get home and will watch it tonight. Cheers!
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Post by: broonage on 25 Feb 2015 - 16:56
As usual, amazing work from our man DjangoLi!

And as usual for me I rarely go on CG and have had my account closed due to lack of activity. Any chance of a wetransfer?  :P
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Post by: Kevin Coed on 25 Feb 2015 - 17:03
Did anyone actually download Blackmail when I uploaded it there?  Because nobody has said they did.
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Post by: DjangoLi on 25 Feb 2015 - 18:58
Did anyone actually download Blackmail when I uploaded it there?  Because nobody has said they did.

I know what you mean Kevin - So far it's only Broonage who's after a copy and I don't mind posting out a copy (I need to get to the post office this week for a couple of other things)

If it's just Broonage then there's no need - but thanks all the same for the offer, I appreciate it.
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Post by: quidtum on 25 Feb 2015 - 20:09
Did anyone actually download Blackmail when I uploaded it there?  Because nobody has said they did.
Oooops, Kevin, sorry for my very belated thanks...  :-\
I got that custom dvd via your very useful WT links  :P
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Post by: rabbitroom on 27 Feb 2015 - 04:30
I would appreciate a download link as well, my CG ratio has been dipping a bit lately. Thanks!
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Post by: broonage on 02 Mar 2015 - 09:04
Did anyone actually download Blackmail when I uploaded it there?  Because nobody has said they did.

I know what you mean Kevin - So far it's only Broonage who's after a copy and I don't mind posting out a copy (I need to get to the post office this week for a couple of other things)

If it's just Broonage then there's no need - but thanks all the same for the offer, I appreciate it.

Thanks!!

I keep getting my CG account removed without warning due to lack of signing in to the place!! Doh, i rarely use it!   ???
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 07 Mar 2015 - 00:31
Did anyone actually download Blackmail when I uploaded it there?  Because nobody has said they did.
Anthony kindly sent me a DVD-R  :P

I'm not on there anyway.
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Post by: Kevin Coed on 07 Mar 2015 - 06:33
I uploaded it to wetransfer and posted links here. Nobody said they downloaded it so I wasn't sure if I was wasting my time or not.
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Post by: quidtum on 08 Mar 2015 - 11:45
I uploaded it to wetransfer and posted links here. Nobody said they downloaded it so I wasn't sure if I was wasting my time or not.
No, you weren't.
It's just that those who grabbed Blackmail via your WT links like me were simply missing the chance to thank you  ???
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Post by: broonage on 08 Mar 2015 - 15:55
I totally missed the upload of Blackmail, doh! Sorry!!  ???
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Post by: DjangoLi on 08 Mar 2015 - 18:53
I still have to go to the post office this week... (yeah, I know.. call me slack)

If anyone wants a copy, send me a pm
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Post by: Kevin Coed on 08 Mar 2015 - 20:37
I'll upload it tomorrow to save you the effort.
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Post by: DjangoLi on 08 Mar 2015 - 21:20
I'll upload it tomorrow to save you the effort.

Cheers Kevin, appreciated.

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Post by: Johan Melle on 29 Apr 2015 - 17:36
I guess things have been happening since I last checked in here! How can I get hold of TUTTO SUL ROSSO?
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Post by: Kevin Coed on 29 Apr 2015 - 17:42
I'll upload it tomorrow, I've been slacking.
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Post by: Johan Melle on 29 Apr 2015 - 19:16
Great! Looking forward to seeing this!  :P
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Post by: DjangoLi on 03 May 2015 - 21:38
Just a heads up that things have been busy as hell here - no progress at all with telecine number 2 (probably Giochi Erotici di una Famiglia per Bene).

If I can, I'll try get at least a test reel sent out this month. I'm also hoping to head up to Germany in June or July and meet up with our head honcho who's handling the telecine which should be fun (and great excuse for a short holiday!)

If I can get the test reels sent up - I'll post here when they're on their way.

Thanks for your patience, as always.  :P
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Post by: DjangoLi on 16 Sep 2015 - 21:19
And another update:

I've been pondering a few options with this one. I figure what we need here is the audio track from 'Giochi Erotici...' and, for a while, I was considering a lab in Rome but I've just found a new lead which might be even better (a film enthusiast with projectors, etc...) I'll be chasing up this lead in the next week or two. I'm hesitant to send the reels up to Germany simply because they've done so much already and if I can find a local option it saves sending the reels through the post. If I can get the audio extracted I can ask Dario to sync it up to the Spanish telecine.

I'm still not sure about 'Le Salamandre' - ideally I'll get it checked out by this new contact here in Italy and, if he says there may still be some colour left, then I'll try sending that to Germany instead.

I've been busy as a bee for the last few months working on a load of stuff for 88Films and DementedUK and Xavier - kind of (very) burnt out at the moment but I'll slowly get back into the swing of things over the next month. As always, thanks for your patience. These projects are still very much in my mind but I'm trying to weigh up the best options...

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Post by: Scyther on 17 Sep 2015 - 00:30
Good to see you busy, though, man! Good on ya!  :P
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Post by: Strigoyu on 29 Sep 2015 - 19:37
I probably could get my hands on the "UNCUT" (either HDCAM or BETACAM, don't know yet) Italian version. Would you be really interested in it? Send me a PM if so.
Title: Re: Telecines Fundraiser - New Thread
Post by: DjangoLi on 29 Sep 2015 - 22:49
I probably could get my hands on the "UNCUT" (either HDCAM or BETACAM, don't know yet) Italian version. Would you be really interested in it? Send me a PM if so.

Just sent you a pm  :P