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Title: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 06 Jul 2007 - 10:24
I'm a huge fan of this flick and consider it to be one of Argento's best. I decided to check out the Blue Underground disc's commentary track last night - probably got about a third in before surrenderring to tiredness but I will say that the Alan Jones and Kim Newman track is infectious and highly informative. It's a shame tat Lustig didn't ge the pair back in the booth to record commentaries for his recent Argento re-issues.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Vaughan on 06 Jul 2007 - 17:01
I have the BU disc.  And while it's a nice upgrade on the old VCI title, I thought the A/V left a little to be desired to be perfectly honest.

Still, as to the film, it's clearly superb.  The soundtrack is a highlight.  I could watch this film every day.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 06 Jul 2007 - 17:20
I've mentioned this before but my only experience of seeing this film is via the old Vampix VHS about 16 years ago and while I enjoyed it back then I'm thinking I seriously need to buy the latest DVD and re-appraise the film.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 06 Jul 2007 - 22:21
It's most definitely well shot and certainly one of the best examples of a giallo flick - it simply exudes class.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: broonage on 16 Aug 2007 - 08:21
Sat down and watched this yesterday afternoon (day off  ;D).

A wonderful film, the score, the sound effects, the camera work, thriving colours. Everything is great, a real change from Argento's 80s/90s work.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: WilsonBros on 16 Aug 2007 - 11:25
In the late 90's, Nick & I got hold of the address of Eva Renzi's agent.

We sent of a letter and a couple of international reply coupons and didn't hear anything for a good number of months - then one morning, a package from Germany arrived and it contained two signed pics and one the back of one of them, Ms Renzi had written "that Argento film was my career killer!"  - oh well...

Despite whatever the late Ms Renzi might have thought of Bird With The Crystal Plumage, it's still a great movie that has an atmosphere unique among Argento's movies.

Kev W
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: pogotheklown on 20 Aug 2007 - 17:15
It's most definitely well shot and certainly one of the best examples of a giallo flick - it simply exudes class.

I certainly agree with you there sir.  One of my favorite giallo movie.  Argento did a fine job on this one (and I'm not really a big Argento fan...).  Pretty much enjoy everything about this film and have a hard time finding any faults...
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 20 Aug 2007 - 21:24
It's most definitely well shot and certainly one of the best examples of a giallo flick - it simply exudes class.

I certainly agree with you there sir.  One of my favorite giallo movie.  Argento did a fine job on this one (and I'm not really a big Argento fan...).  Pretty much enjoy everything about this film and have a hard time finding any faults...

Thank you and welcome to the forums, Pogo!
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: vigilanteforce on 02 Jan 2008 - 01:36
Watched this masterpiece again earlier tonight via the great Medusa disc (although I also have the BU special edition). I always get in my giallo mood in the xmas time, don't know why. Needless to say this film is brilliant and one of Argenro's finest. Not much in there for the gorehounds but it is so well-made that it never gets boring. Killer music score- happy to own it on CD.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Peter on 02 Jan 2008 - 05:33
Funnily enough, I also watched this last night (although I watched the BU disc) and I agree with you. It's one the gialli that I've seen the most times, yet I never seem to tire of it. Fantastic film and one of Argento's best. 
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Johan Melle on 02 Jan 2008 - 10:43
OK, I know I'm in the minority here but I just can't help but feel that this is the decidedly weakest of Argento's early films. Sure enough, there's lots to admire. Morricone's score and Storaro's camerawork is top-notch and the film has a very solid story and a great central puzzle. I'm also impressed by the cast, including the great Mario Adorf and Enrico Maria Salerno, who is more likeable and smart than most cops we see in gialli. There's also a bit of humor that actually works.

Still, I can't help but feel Argento's inexperience here - he would improve on a lot of the themes seen her in his next couple of films. Here, he doesn't quite have the necessary experience or timing to successfully execute all of his suspense scenes. Most of the victims are unimportant characters who are introduced and killed right afterwards, which means there is little emotional impact since we never establish a relationship with these characters. The one scene that really should make an emotional impact is the one where the killer attacks Suzy Kendall, whose character we do sympathize with. But unfortunately, this scene falls flatter than a pancake and isn't able to deliver any thrills whatsoever. I thought it was amazing to see Argento handle a suspense sequence with such uncertainty! He also doesn't quite know how to direct his actors - as evidenced by Suzy Kendall's unconvincing hysterical acting in this scene. Kendall is a good actress but doesn't express her fear in a very satisfying manner here. It seems as if neither she or Argento had any clue how to do this scene.

So for me, Argento was just cutting his teeth on this one. He would improve vastly as a director with his next to films, which have much more emotional impact as well as leading characters that we actually care about (the relationship between Karl Malden and his niece in CAT is much warmer and convincing than any of what we see in BIRD). That's not to say that BIRD is a poor film but for me the only really GREAT thing it has going for it is the central plot element of what the protagonist saw (or rather thought he saw), which really re-defined the whole giallo genre at the time. The rest of the film, however, is pretty routine, and this is one Argento film I rarely feel any urge to revisit.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: MarcMorris on 02 Jan 2008 - 10:51
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Still, I can't help but feel Argento's inexperience here

Ha - so in that case his more recent films should be better as he's now a way more experienced director.  ;D
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Johan Melle on 02 Jan 2008 - 14:23
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Still, I can't help but feel Argento's inexperience here

Ha - so in that case his more recent films should be better as he's now a way more experienced director.  ;D

Haha! That's not what I was trying to say. What I meant was that IMO Dario's lack of experience when he made this film prevents him from delivering the same kind of gripping suspense and tension that he was later able to create in some of his best films. None of the suspense scenes in BIRD make nowhere near the same kind of impact on me as some of his later accomplishments such as Sara trying to reach the small window in SUSPIRIA or Rose descending down into the underwater chamber in INFERNO etc.

While his recent films don't compare favorably to his best films (which are IMO the ones he made while he was together with Daria Nicolodi), I still find that they are a lot better than many give them credit for.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: zykl0nb on 06 Jan 2008 - 00:28
When I first watched this years ago on the VCI disc when I first got into Argento, I was underwhelmed by it.  Re-appraising it via the BU disc, I have discovered it to be a masterpiece.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Johan Melle on 06 Jan 2008 - 00:32
When I first watched this years ago on the VCI disc when I first got into Argento, I was underwhelmed by it.  Re-appraising it via the BU disc, I have discovered it to be a masterpiece.

Really? The BU disc made that much of a difference? It's very interesting you should say that because I've only seen it via the VCI release...
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 06 Jan 2008 - 11:31
Johan, the Medusa and BU discs piss all over the VCI release, mate.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: zykl0nb on 06 Jan 2008 - 19:02
Yes the BU disc was an improvement, but I think I also attribute my newfound appreciation for this movie simply to my changing taste in movies.  Perhaps when I first watched it I just didn't fully "get" it.  I certainly didn't know who Mario Adorf was the first time I watched  ;D
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 06 Nov 2008 - 06:35
Blue Underground's Blu-ray release has been scheduled for 24th February. This is exciting news as this marks the first appearance of a classic giallo on the high definition format.

Technical specifications include: DTS-HD Lossless Master Audio 7.1 Surround and Dolby TrueHD 7.1 Surround in English and an Italian track with spec TBC.

The extras seem to be cribbed from the BU 2 disc DVD and include the Alan Jones/Kim Newman commentary and several featurettes.

Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: zykl0nb on 30 Nov 2008 - 18:56
I'll definitely be picking it up on Bluray
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: K August on 22 Jan 2009 - 18:15
This is pretty much tied for my favorite Argento film.  ;)

I watched Bird again the other day and was floored with what Dario achieved his first time out. Almost everything in this film clicks. I also think Vittorio's beautiful cinematography is a stand out. I enjoy seeing all the bits of yellow that pop up in the film too. This film is far superior to the novel it was based on, and I never get tired of watching it.

Whenever I get a blue ray player (preferably one that's multi-region and upconverts standard dvds), this is first on my list. I've got the VCI right now, so I won't upgrade until my player is upgraded.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Fabio on 05 Nov 2009 - 02:48
Just saw this one. Great movie! Has most of myfavorite elements of Gialli. Wonderful suspense and some really odd yet intweresting and entertaining characters. Liked Tony Musante in his role a lot.

5/5
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 25 Mar 2011 - 11:51
Just a heads up to say that Diabolik DVD have some copies of the OOP Blue Underground Blu-ray in stock...

6 Left apparently CLICK HERE (http://www.diabolikdvd.com/category/Horror-%5Bsl%5D-Thriller/Bird-with-the-Crystal-Plumage-DVD-%28Argento%29-%28Blu~Ray-Region-Free%29.html)
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 25 Mar 2011 - 11:54
Just a heads up to say that Diabolik DVD have some copies of the OOP Blue Underground Blu-ray in stock...

6 Left apparently CLICK HERE (http://www.diabolikdvd.com/category/Horror-%5Bsl%5D-Thriller/Bird-with-the-Crystal-Plumage-DVD-%28Argento%29-%28Blu~Ray-Region-Free%29.html)

I had no idea it was out of print, I just commented on it being OOP in the other thread.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 25 Mar 2011 - 11:57
I had no idea it was out of print
Me neither.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 25 Mar 2011 - 11:59

I had no idea it was out of print, I just commented on it being OOP in the other thread.

Might be worth snapping up some copies as I'd imagine a lot of people will want it now that the details of the Arrow transfer have come out.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 25 Mar 2011 - 12:01

I had no idea it was out of print, I just commented on it being OOP in the other thread.

Might be worth snapping up some copies as I'd imagine a lot of people will want it now that the details of the Arrow transfer have come out.

I've already got one but would certainly encourage those that haven't to get one. The extras are good too  :-X
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 25 Mar 2011 - 12:03

I had no idea it was out of print, I just commented on it being OOP in the other thread.

Might be worth snapping up some copies as I'd imagine a lot of people will want it now that the details of the Arrow transfer have come out.
...apart from the brainwashed who will no doubt try to justify to themselves that the new aspect ratio is better. i.e. "I prefer the new ratio, it fits in my telly better" or some similar nonsense  :D
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: CJ on 25 Mar 2011 - 14:47
Phew! Glad I've got the BU Blu-ray of this stashed safely in my BD collection. I am surprised, though, that this has gone OOP relatively quickly, since BD is just about gaining ground now. This will no doubt become a highly sought after disc in time to come - but they can't have mine!!
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 25 Mar 2011 - 15:03
Phew! Glad I've got the BU Blu-ray of this stashed safely in my BD collection. I am surprised, though, that this has gone OOP relatively quickly, since BD is just about gaining ground now. This will no doubt become a highly sought after disc in time to come - but they can't have mine!!

It was probably a case of BU knowing it was about to go out of licence and just getting it out to sell as many as they could in the timeframe.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: CJ on 25 Mar 2011 - 23:54
It was probably a case of BU knowing it was about to go out of licence and just getting it out to sell as many as they could in the timeframe.

Of course, I was forgetting they'd licensed the film sometime before the BD came out. Aren't BD rights given under a different license though? Or is it just a case of licensing the film and you can put it out in whatever format you choose?
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 26 Mar 2011 - 05:35
It was probably a case of BU knowing it was about to go out of licence and just getting it out to sell as many as they could in the timeframe.

Of course, I was forgetting they'd licensed the film sometime before the BD came out. Aren't BD rights given under a different license though? Or is it just a case of licensing the film and you can put it out in whatever format you choose?

I'd assume that it was licenced for HD at the time of the DVD release and BU waited until the BD market had gotten big enough to make it a viable proposition. Don't forget, the industry was well aware of the HD formats development a good six or seven years before they launched.

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Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 26 Mar 2011 - 11:04
It was probably a case of BU knowing it was about to go out of licence and just getting it out to sell as many as they could in the timeframe.

Of course, I was forgetting they'd licensed the film sometime before the BD came out. Aren't BD rights given under a different license though? Or is it just a case of licensing the film and you can put it out in whatever format you choose?

I'd assume that it was licenced for HD at the time of the DVD release and BU waited until the BD market had gotten big enough to make it a viable proposition. Don't forget, the industry was well aware of the HD formats development a good six or seven years before they launched.

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I was under the impression that BU did the HD master themselves - or more accurately himself - with Storaro's involvement from the original 2-perf negative.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 26 Mar 2011 - 16:57
It was probably a case of BU knowing it was about to go out of licence and just getting it out to sell as many as they could in the timeframe.

Of course, I was forgetting they'd licensed the film sometime before the BD came out. Aren't BD rights given under a different license though? Or is it just a case of licensing the film and you can put it out in whatever format you choose?

I'd assume that it was licenced for HD at the time of the DVD release and BU waited until the BD market had gotten big enough to make it a viable proposition. Don't forget, the industry was well aware of the HD formats development a good six or seven years before they launched.

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I was under the impression that BU did the HD master themselves - or more accurately himself - with Storaro's involvement from the original 2-perf negative.

When I said licenced for HD I meant secured the rights for release. It's well known that BU supervise it's own transfers, mate.


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Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: CJ on 27 Mar 2011 - 12:48
If BU can supervise their own transfers, why not Arrow? Surely they have a say in how the film is to be presented on their release? After all, they're the ones forking out the money for the transfer. I'm not sure what can be gained by creating an HD master in the wrong ratio. Surely Arrow knew that this would anger fans?
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 27 Mar 2011 - 12:50
If BU can supervise their own transfers, why not Arrow? Surely they have a say in how the film is to be presented on their release? After all, they're the ones forking out the money for the transfer. I'm not sure what can be gained by creating an HD master in the wrong ratio. Surely Arrow knew that this would anger fans?

As far as I'm aware Arrow don't commission the masters, all they do is license the film and the master is supplied by the licensor. Effectively they get what they are given and have to roll with it, be it good or bad.

Obviously a few tweaks can be done to a master once Arrow have it, correct the colour timing, add a load of DNR etc but if the ratio is wrong then there's not much can be done.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: CJ on 27 Mar 2011 - 12:57
As far as I'm aware Arrow don't commission the masters, all they do is license the film and the master is supplied by the licensor. Effectively they get what they are given and have to roll with it, be it good or bad.

Obviously a few tweaks can be done to a master once Arrow have it, correct the colour timing, add a load of DNR etc but if the ratio is wrong then there's not much can be done.

Ah, I see, fair enough. It's just that their advertising spiel always seem to indicate  a heavier involvement in creating the HD masters, which is why I wondered why they'd gone for this presentation. I still think it's a mistake to proceed with releasing it in the wrong ratio, but then it's not my money or business on the line. But surely, at some point in negotiations for the title, they would have become aware of what they would be getting?

I don't want to unnecessarily pour scorn on Arrow, but this move is going to generate some bad press amongst genre fans 'in the know'. That's inevitable.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 27 Mar 2011 - 13:06
But surely, at some point in negotiations for the title, they would have become aware of what they would be getting?

To be honest I get the feeling that they barrel along at such a hectic pace that they forget to put the brakes on and take time to check the fine print somewhat.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 27 Mar 2011 - 16:49
And added to that they don't really know their product. They're a business first and foremost; this 'by the fans, for the fans' is just guff.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 31 Mar 2011 - 13:39
Diabolik have just got some fresh stock of the BU Blu...

45 copies left at the moment... CLICK HERE (http://www.diabolikdvd.com/category/Horror-%5Bsl%5D-Thriller/Bird-with-the-Crystal-Plumage-DVD-%28Argento%29-%28Blu~Ray-Region-Free%29.html)

Where are they getting them?  :-\
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 31 Mar 2011 - 13:57
I'm very tempted to grab a couple while the price is still reasonable so I can rip someone off further down the line.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 31 Mar 2011 - 13:58
I'm very tempted to grab a couple while the price is still reasonable so I can rip someone off further down the line.

I went ahead and ordered one, despite not even having a player yet.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 31 Mar 2011 - 14:00
I'm very tempted to grab a couple while the price is still reasonable so I can rip someone off further down the line.

I went ahead and ordered one, despite not even having a player yet.
Wise decision  ::)
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 31 Mar 2011 - 14:01
I'm very tempted to grab a couple while the price is still reasonable so I can rip someone off further down the line.

I went ahead and ordered one, despite not even having a player yet.

How many Blu ray discs do you own now?
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 31 Mar 2011 - 14:12

How many Blu ray discs do you own now?

This will be number 5.  :-\
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 31 Mar 2011 - 14:16
I think it's about time you get yourself a new telly. You deserve it.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: gialloshots on 31 Mar 2011 - 14:20
I'm very tempted to grab a couple while the price is still reasonable so I can rip someone off further down the line.

I thought about this as well.  It's selling for $19USD and just in the past week I've seen several sell on bay for over $40.  The only one I see listed currently is Buy It Now for $80.

Jonny, maybe you should buy out the lot, flip them for a profit and buy yourself a blu-ray player!
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 31 Mar 2011 - 14:26

Jonny, maybe you should buy out the lot, flip them for a profit and buy yourself a blu-ray player!

Mate, I'm scraping my pennies together so I can buy one copy! Plus I need an HD TV before I get a Blu-ray deck...
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 31 Mar 2011 - 14:28
People forget he may not have the telly and BD player but he's got a fuck-off big screen to watch them on at work.  :-\
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 31 Mar 2011 - 14:33
Diabolik have just got some fresh stock of the BU Blu...

45 copies left at the moment... CLICK HERE (http://www.diabolikdvd.com/category/Horror-%5Bsl%5D-Thriller/Bird-with-the-Crystal-Plumage-DVD-%28Argento%29-%28Blu~Ray-Region-Free%29.html)

Where are they getting them?  :-\

Down to just 38 copies in a little over an hour. I'd get in there fast if you want one.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 01 Apr 2011 - 16:55
Down to just 38 copies in a little over an hour. I'd get in there fast if you want one.

3 copies left now. They flew out didn't they!?!
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: the blob on 01 Apr 2011 - 17:11
You just know someone bought at least 10 though.  ;D

Not me, I hasten to add. I just have my one solitary copy.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 01 Apr 2011 - 17:16
You just know someone bought at least 10 though.  ;D
Andy probably.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 01 Apr 2011 - 17:19
Did he ever sell all those posters he was selling for stupid money?
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: broonage on 01 Apr 2011 - 18:01
I think Mr. Lustig is a happy chappy!
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 01 Apr 2011 - 18:31
Down to just 38 copies in a little over an hour. I'd get in there fast if you want one.

3 copies left now. They flew out didn't they!?!

Blimey!


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Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 02 Apr 2011 - 10:24
Did he ever sell all those posters he was selling for stupid money?
yep
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: CJ on 02 Apr 2011 - 11:49
I notice that Cult Labs have now shut down all discussion of this new ratio. I was surprised they let it run as long as they did, to be honest. But I just knew that a certain Mod would be along to close the threads. He can't help himself, he has an obsession with closing threads.  ;D
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 02 Apr 2011 - 12:30
I notice that Cult Labs have now shut down all discussion of this new ratio. I was surprised they let it run as long as they did, to be honest. But I just knew that a certain Mod would be along to close the threads. He can't help himself, he has an obsession with closing threads.  ;D

He certainly can't, can he. I was thinking the same when I saw that those threads were locked yesterday.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: the blob on 02 Apr 2011 - 12:36
That was a very strange choice in this circumstance. It's not like you can't still read the posts or hasn't become common knowledge on the net.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: CJ on 02 Apr 2011 - 12:57
To be honest, they can have as many different threads on the film as they want, the only real talking point is the aspect ratio. That's all people really want to discuss at the moment. Closing threads will only serve to frustrate members and will cause bad feeling. Sometimes it's better to let things run their course and fizzle out naturally - all this action will do is make people more determined to circumvent the heavy-handed moderating and talk about it anyway.

I can't wait till reviews start cropping up across the 'net. They're going to face a very nasty backlash over this. They can't shut everyone up, can they?  :D
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 02 Apr 2011 - 14:46
I notice that Cult Labs have now shut down all discussion of this new ratio.
They truly are cunts aren't they.

If the Arrow one was correct and the Blue-Underground one was presented wrongly the'd soon be hyping up the fact.

All the arse lickers at  :( labs will surely still buy it (probably two copies too, one to watch and one to keep sealed)

I can see it now

"Great job Arrow, I definately prefer it in this ratio, it fits my tv screen better  ::)" .....cunts
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 02 Apr 2011 - 14:51
I can't wait till reviews start cropping up across the 'net. They're going to face a very nasty backlash over this. They can't shut everyone up, can they?  :D
I hope the information spreads like an out of control Australian bush fire.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 02 Apr 2011 - 14:52
But I just knew that a certain Mod would be along to close the threads.
Nonceferatu?
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 02 Apr 2011 - 15:20
I notice that Cult Labs have now shut down all discussion of this new ratio.
They truly are cunts aren't they.


Let's be honest, the relationship between yourself and Cult Labs was never going to be a permanent one. I'm astonished you lasted as long as you did - you outdid my stay by months.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Ben Cobb on 02 Apr 2011 - 20:42
Watched the BU blu-ray earlier today in all its stunning 2.35:1 glory
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 02 Apr 2011 - 22:23
Watched the BU blu-ray earlier today in all its stunning 2.35:1 glory
The only way to watch it  :D
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: broonage on 03 Apr 2011 - 10:55
I think they should fire some certain mods and get more equal minded folk.

But they have shot themselves in the foot this time. Now, there is no denying, Arrow release nice films and I really really like their packages (I have said in the past and will do for future titles I'm sure, I love their packages), but when they do silly mistakes like this, well of course I have to go for the best out there, in this case Blue Underground. Plus the attitudes of their PR forum is making me have a taste in my mouth, a bit like after a heavy drinking binge - the "badgers bottom", or the "dead hamster" - absolutely horrible!

I think they realise they are buggered internet wise for Bird, and they can't do anything about it, so might as well get the heavies in and close threads.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: djvaso on 03 Apr 2011 - 19:38
Maybe Blue Underground will repress Blu-ray disc. Amazon has updated my order with new delivery date  :D .
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: CJ on 04 Apr 2011 - 14:28
I doubt BU will be pressing anymore copies, as their license on the title has expired. Copies will still be floating about of existing stock, as in the US a distributor has a 1 year from the license expiry to sell off all old stock. After that it will be pulled entirely, except for 3rd party sellers. At least, this is how I understand the system over there.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 04 Apr 2011 - 14:56
I think they should fire some certain mods and get more equal minded folk.

But they have shot themselves in the foot this time. Now, there is no denying, Arrow release nice films and I really really like their packages (I have said in the past and will do for future titles I'm sure, I love their packages), but when they do silly mistakes like this, well of course I have to go for the best out there, in this case Blue Underground. Plus the attitudes of their PR forum is making me have a taste in my mouth, a bit like after a heavy drinking binge - the "badgers bottom", or the "dead hamster" - absolutely horrible!

I think they realise they are buggered internet wise for Bird, and they can't do anything about it, so might as well get the heavies in and close threads.


Actually, I think where they shot themselves in the foot was using the word "original" anywhere near the words Storaro and Univisium.  It's a given (or it should be) that a release using this transfer will not be definitive no matter what the extras.  However, if they had just listed on the specs that it was in Storaro's preferred aspect ratio, they might not have left themselves open to suggestions/accusations/intimations that they were trying to do some sort of revisionist snow job with the uninformed leaping to the conclusion that this is how it is supposed to be seen and all other wider-framed releases were possibly incorrect, as "Brand new High Definition restoration of the film from the original negative presented in Director of Photography, Vittorio Storaro’s original 2:1 Univisium aspect ratio" could suggest.  Luckily that seems not to have happened here since we have another HD transfer made not too long ago (compared to THE BEYOND where some are blaming the differences on the +10 year old original transfer and supposed technological limitations).

If Argento approved Storaro's revisions (which also included some different color timing), then it is a legit alternate version, but it is not the "original" version.  It might have made a nice second disc, however.

I've read some of Storaro's stuff on Univisium but I don't recall how far back it goes.  If this was what he wanted all the time, then why did he frame shots for this and THE LAST EMPEROR for the wider 2.35:1 aspect ratio such that the 2:1 framing would throw off his own once-symmetrical compositions (compare the French DVD caps to the Criterion caps for the Bertolucci film at DVDBeaver).
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 04 Apr 2011 - 15:14
Not trying to go out of my way to disagree with you Eric but I think even if they'd billed as "preferred" rather than "original" people would still be up in arms because of the amount of image that's missing in the frame. None of us would want a compromised version if something complete was also available.

It makes you wonder what the company that paid for that transfer was thinking when they didn't question Storaro over his "preferred" ratio.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 04 Apr 2011 - 15:35
Not trying to go out of my way to disagree with you Eric but I think even if they'd billed as "preferred" rather than "original" people would still be up in arms because of the amount of image that's missing in the frame. None of us would want a compromised version if something complete was also available.

I don't doubt that.  I just felt that the wording itself was just stood out (specifically the "original").  When someone emailed me a link to the specs, I had a feeling even before I clicked on it that it would be announcing the "Storaro-ed" transfer, but when I saw how it was worded, my first response (possibly in the LL&L Arrow thread rather than in this one) was that it might be Storaro's original aspect ratio, but it is not the film's original aspect ratio. 

I've only recently checked the listing again to see the extras.  The first time I saw the posted specs, I stopped reading at that first line (or at least I forgot what I read beyond that point).

I don't know if the "complete" version was available.  I think the older HD master does indeed belong to Lustig.  I seem to recall reading that AWE had to go with the NTSC-PAL master of DEEP RED from Medusa because they could not afford to use Lustig's master and at least do a cleaner conversion (or leave it in NTSC as some AWE discs of American material have been).  Perhaps Arrow, having had to pay for the rights, could not afford to use anything other than what the rights holder had.  I don't think it is a case of them not having seen the master before-hand, as the assumption that a cinematographer-supervised HD master would be more than decent (and in most cases, it should be).  We know Storaro's predilection for reformatting, but we still don't know the full story behind the Tovoli-supervised SUSPIRIA HD master, or Salvati on CITY OF THE LIVING DEAD (could it be that he approved the brightness and coloring and the massive DNR was done after?)
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 07 Apr 2011 - 10:25
The Blue Underground Blu-Ray arrived a few moments ago. I'm going to take it to work and see what it looks like on our biggest screen.

I'll post up some photos when I get chance to give it a spin.   :'(
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 07 Apr 2011 - 10:29
The Blue Underground Blu-Ray arrived a few moments ago. I'm going to take it to work and see what it looks like on our biggest screen.

I'll post up some photos when I get chance to give it a spin.   :'(
Cool, will it lose any clarity being blown up that big?
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 07 Apr 2011 - 10:34
Cool, will it lose any clarity being blown up that big?

We'll have to see. The projector upscales 2K (Blu-ray) content to 4K and it usually looks very nice. Did you see the DAY OF THE DEAD (http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1319/71705761.jpg) pic I took on our smallest screen? (click link to view)
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 07 Apr 2011 - 15:45
Cool, will it lose any clarity being blown up that big?

We'll have to see. The projector upscales 2K (Blu-ray) content to 4K and it usually looks very nice. Did you see the DAY OF THE DEAD (http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1319/71705761.jpg) pic I took on our smallest screen? (click link to view)

Remember to matte it to 2:1:1 to ensure you recreate the "perfect" presentation.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 07 Apr 2011 - 22:29
Cool, will it lose any clarity being blown up that big?

We'll have to see. The projector upscales 2K (Blu-ray) content to 4K and it usually looks very nice. Did you see the DAY OF THE DEAD (http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1319/71705761.jpg) pic I took on our smallest screen? (click link to view)

Remember to matte it to 2:1:1 to ensure you recreate the "perfect" presentation.
hahahaha, pissed myself  ;D :-\ ;D :-\
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: CJ on 08 Apr 2011 - 00:46
Remember to matte it to 2:1:1 to ensure you recreate the "perfect" presentation.

I've put black tape down both sides of my widescreen TV to ensure I see everything in this magic and perfect ratio.

Actually, no, I haven't. Only a complete dickhead would think that reducing a 2.35:1 image to 2:1 is a good idea. Yes, I think Storaro is a dickhead. He was a great cinematographer in his day...but honestly...the man must have lost a few marbles along the way. Shame that he's now found enablers though....

 ;D
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 08 Apr 2011 - 10:09
Managed to get it up on our largest screen this morning. The image needs re-sizing to fully fit the screen size though, in these pics there's still a good three feet at each side that I can use to fit the image in, plus a couple of feet at the top and bottom. I just didn't have time to alter the zoom on the lens to do it though. I'll set it up properly when I get more free time in the screen. The screen width is 12m btw.

Not very good pics, I was trying to show you how far back I was, I was about 13 or 14 rows from the front when I took them.

(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4290/bird1m.jpg)
(http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/971/bird2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 08 Apr 2011 - 10:32
A couple more...

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1730/bird3p.jpg)
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7856/bird4m.jpg)

Here's the screen with the lights on, the masking is closed in these pics - it opens out for scope.

(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7642/31234484.jpg)
(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9010/16114039.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: demented_uk on 08 Apr 2011 - 10:43
Looks great.  As a projectionist, how much do you think the 'look' of the Blu-Ray compares to the look of a projected film?  Does the Blu-Ray look film like?
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 08 Apr 2011 - 10:59
Looks great.  As a projectionist, how much do you think the 'look' of the Blu-Ray compares to the look of a projected film?  Does the Blu-Ray look film like?

BIRD looks really nice, the grain look surprisingly natural for a film played from disc on such a large screen. I can't really give a proper assessment until I sit through the whole film though.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 08 Apr 2011 - 11:10
Looks great.  As a projectionist, how much do you think the 'look' of the Blu-Ray compares to the look of a projected film?  Does the Blu-Ray look film like?

BIRD looks really nice, the grain look surprisingly natural for a film played from disc on such a large screen. I can't really give a proper assessment until I sit through the whole film though.
Bring the curtains in a bit to get that desired 2.1 ratio   ;D
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: wayne on 10 Apr 2011 - 13:40
Looks great.  As a projectionist, how much do you think the 'look' of the Blu-Ray compares to the look of a projected film?  Does the Blu-Ray look film like?

BIRD looks really nice, the grain look surprisingly natural for a film played from disc on such a large screen. I can't really give a proper assessment until I sit through the whole film though.

Jonny a fellow projectonist ? Awesome ... i too work as a projectonist in our local cinema ... just hit the fouth year mark.
Title: Re: Re: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 10 Apr 2011 - 13:52
Jonny a fellow projectonist ? Awesome ... i too work as a projectonist in our local cinema ... just hit the fouth year mark.

Yes mate, it's been about twelve years for me. We're all digital now too. What gear do you have? All 35mm?
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: DjangoLi on 10 Apr 2011 - 13:57
Looks great.  As a projectionist, how much do you think the 'look' of the Blu-Ray compares to the look of a projected film?  Does the Blu-Ray look film like?

Kind of a follow-up to this question (and something I'm really curious about...) How similar is, say, a top line blu-ray disc compared to 35mm projection? Out of 10 - with '10' being 'it looks exactly the same' - what rating would you give blu ray in comparison to 35mm? Could you fool a cinema audience by playing a blu-ray instead?
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 10 Apr 2011 - 14:17
Kind of a follow-up to this question (and something I'm really curious about...) How similar is, say, a top line blu-ray disc compared to 35mm projection? Out of 10 - with '10' being 'it looks exactly the same' - what rating would you give blu ray in comparison to 35mm? Could you fool a cinema audience by playing a blu-ray instead?

I can only give an answer based on my experience with the Sony 4K digital projectors we have. Our Sony's upscale any content that isn't 4K, so a Blu-ray which is essentially 2K gets upscaled to 4K. 4K being four times the resolution of 2K.

Does a top of the line Blu-ray look as good (when projected on a large cinema screen) as a perfectly presented 35mm print? No. Upscaled on our Sony I'd rate it as a 7 1/2.

Could we play a Blu-ray and fool an audience? Yes, I think we could. But it would have to be a good blu-ray, we ran a Harry Potter blu the other week in private just to see how it looked and although I could tell it wasn't as good as a proper digital print (or 35mm) I'm confident we could show it to an audience and not have any complaints about the quality.
Title: Re: Re: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: wayne on 10 Apr 2011 - 22:50
Jonny a fellow projectonist ? Awesome ... i too work as a projectonist in our local cinema ... just hit the fouth year mark.

Yes mate, it's been about twelve years for me. We're all digital now too. What gear do you have? All 35mm?

8 35MM (Ernemann) and 4 Digi (Christie 2K). We only use the digis for 3D movies ... so most the time we play "good" ole 35mm. I also manage our old kinda arthouse theatre with 6 35MM projectors , sons of bitches are pretty old ... i guess the 70s. But they still work ^^ grindhouse kinda style.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 10 May 2011 - 17:00
Someone's just posted this on the cuntlabs forum, thought I'd post it here before that cunt nosferatu or the like removes it because it's not a favourable review:

"I've now received a review copy of the disc and having skimmed through the film quickly, I have to say that the Storaro re-framing is disappointing - it often seems like he's just hacked off a certain amount of the left of the frame throughout the entire movie (without any regard for original compositions). But that's not all, I presume that he's also overseen new colour timing for the film during the remastering process, and it's now a much colder looking film with very pale skin tones. And if that's not enough, the shots representing a camera view finder are now in black and white (and, naturally, are completely missing the viewfinder crop marks on the left of the image)."
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: gnorthcott on 10 May 2011 - 19:50
oh dear
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: smileysmile18 on 10 May 2011 - 21:09
So it's basically like the old pan and scan process? Is it ever missing picture on the right, or is it just missing the left hand side the whole time? What's wrong with Storaro, why does he care so little about his compositions? What a joke.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 11 May 2011 - 07:55
So it's basically like the old pan and scan process? Is it ever missing picture on the right, or is it just missing the left hand side the whole time? What's wrong with Storaro, why does he care so little about his compositions? What a joke.

Not as bad as the pan and scan process by a long shot, Smiley but not the film's intended ratio,. So yes, there will be a substantial proportion of image missing from the sides of the frame throughout the film.

Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 11 May 2011 - 09:41
So it's basically like the old pan and scan process?
I'd say it's more like one of those "compromise" releases rather than pan & scan. Still and extremely bad move though, I certainly won't touch it.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 12 May 2011 - 01:30
BIRD Blu-Ray Arrow vs 01 vs Blue Underground at DVDBeaver (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/dvdreviews44/bird_with_the_crystal_plumage_blu-ray.htm)
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 12 May 2011 - 11:18
BIRD Blu-Ray Arrow vs 01 vs Blue Underground at DVDBeaver (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/dvdreviews44/bird_with_the_crystal_plumage_blu-ray.htm)
Not only is it badly cropped (which we knew already) but yet again looks like an Arrow "washed out" release. Terrible.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 12 May 2011 - 11:24
Love this screen cap...

(http://hcc.techradar.com/files/hcc_content/software/bird_crystal_storaro.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 12 May 2011 - 11:35
Love this screen cap...

(http://hcc.techradar.com/files/hcc_content/software/bird_crystal_storaro.jpg)

 ;D
Just shows the professionalism of this release doesn't it.

But that image looks so much better put next to the superior BU one ;)


(http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/spara73/spara2/b7.jpg)
(http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/spara73/spara2/b8.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Paul on 12 May 2011 - 12:02
The image looks a lot softer too.

Still, and with respect, I've said my piece regarding this release.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 12 May 2011 - 12:04
The image looks a lot softer too.

Still, and with respect, I've said my piece regarding this release.
It's truly shit in comparison isn't it.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Sundance on 12 May 2011 - 12:16
The Arrow disc looks so bad in comparison that I'd rather be without the movie than buy that kind of shit... But fortunately I have the BU disc. ;D
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: cannibal man on 15 May 2011 - 00:20

why are arrow releases so bad in terms of artwork and going bu those screenshots the pucture quality as well.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Zarith on 15 May 2011 - 12:28
It seems to be the same version as the Blu-ray released by Wild Side in France last year. It suffers from exactly the same issues (cold blue tint, re-framing, lack of contrast,...).

It's a bit unfair to blame Arrow. The ones guilty here are Vittorio Storaro and Dario Argento, in charge of this high definition transfer. Wild Side's technical director, Brigitte Dutray, was extremely disappointed by their job, and made public apologies in an interview.

The same thing happened a few year ago with the ketchup version of Suspiria.

It doesn't surprise me at all. Dario Argento's incompetence is beyond limits... I expect nothing good from him.  :-[
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 15 May 2011 - 12:29
It's a bit unfair to blame Arrow.
Bit unfair to blame them for the B & W intro to Beyond to is it.  ;D
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 16 May 2011 - 17:26
Diabolik have got 68 more copies of the Blue Underground Blu-ray in stock...

Click HERE (http://www.diabolikdvd.com/category/Horror-%5Bsl%5D-Thriller/Bird-with-the-Crystal-Plumage--%28Argento%29-%28Blu~Ray-Region-Free%29.html)
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: djvaso on 16 May 2011 - 18:38
Diabolik have got 68 more copies of the Blue Underground Blu-ray in stock...

Click HERE (http://www.diabolikdvd.com/category/Horror-%5Bsl%5D-Thriller/Bird-with-the-Crystal-Plumage--%28Argento%29-%28Blu~Ray-Region-Free%29.html)
The customers are draining out the stock rapidly.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 16 May 2011 - 19:01
Diabolik have got 68 more copies of the Blue Underground Blu-ray in stock...

Click HERE (http://www.diabolikdvd.com/category/Horror-%5Bsl%5D-Thriller/Bird-with-the-Crystal-Plumage--%28Argento%29-%28Blu~Ray-Region-Free%29.html)
The customers are draining out the stock rapidly.
Do you blame them, imagine missing out and your only blu choice becomes that Arrow piece of shit or to pay a high price for the BU one when they have dried out.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: djvaso on 16 May 2011 - 20:05
Diabolik have got 68 more copies of the Blue Underground Blu-ray in stock...

Click HERE (http://www.diabolikdvd.com/category/Horror-%5Bsl%5D-Thriller/Bird-with-the-Crystal-Plumage--%28Argento%29-%28Blu~Ray-Region-Free%29.html)
The customers are draining out the stock rapidly.
Do you blame them, imagine missing out and your only blu choice becomes that Arrow piece of shit or to pay a high price for the BU one when they have dried out.
Is this a question? Of course that I don't blame them because I was one of the customer during last sale. Mr Jesse was very kind to quickly add Montenegro to the list and I grabbed one of the last pieces  ::) .

Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: dvdjunk1e on 17 May 2011 - 20:21
All gone.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Johnny66 on 20 May 2011 - 01:17
More in currently at Diabolik - only about 17 left, though.
Title: Re: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 20 May 2011 - 05:45
Where are they getting all these from?
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 04 May 2012 - 21:59
VCI's future release of BIRD WITH THE CRYSTAL PLUMAGE will use the BU HD master, not the Storaro version.  VCI sublicensed the title to BU who created that master.  Part of that agreement was a short release window for BU's own edition before the rights reverted to VCI (who own the US and Canadian rights in perpetuity after acquiring it from Universal Marion in the eighties).  VCI's Bob Blair considers the title one of the "crown jewels" of the VCI library.  I've suggested lossless mono tracks as part of their future edition (BU has Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA 7.1 tracks and Dolby Digital 5.1 audio only).
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 04 May 2012 - 22:03
VCI's future release of BIRD WITH THE CRYSTAL PLUMAGE will use the BU HD master, not the Storaro version.
Can you see anyone else releasing that Storaro travesty? People will avoid it like lepers.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 04 May 2012 - 22:24
VCI's future release of BIRD WITH THE CRYSTAL PLUMAGE will use the BU HD master, not the Storaro version.
Can you see anyone else releasing that Storaro travesty? People will avoid it like lepers.

Probably the next Italian edition.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Strigoyu on 07 Jan 2013 - 18:52
Watched it not long ago in BU BluRay edition and I must say it was a stunning experience!!! I had previously watched it in BU DVD edition, but this time, men, it was really really exciting!!! Some of the finest giallo ever!!!
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Longsden on 25 Sep 2013 - 00:18
Anyone taken a punt on the VCI release? Just ordered it
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: medway garage on 25 Sep 2013 - 17:10
Yes I've just got it through, decent quality, mono English and Italian tracks, but sadly it uses dubtitles for the Italian language version !
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 25 Sep 2013 - 17:55
Yes I've just got it through, decent quality, mono English and Italian tracks, but sadly it uses dubtitles for the Italian language version !
Is it the same transfer as the Blue-Underground release or is it a different transfer in the correct aspect ratio?
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 25 Sep 2013 - 17:58
It's the same master. I don't know if they've done any extra work on it though.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: demented_uk on 25 Sep 2013 - 18:33
The same master but encoded at MPEG-2 rather than MPEG-4, which is very odd in this day and age. During the foggy murder scene there are compression artefacts, but these would only really be noticeable on a big screen.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 28 Nov 2013 - 00:25
Tony Musante sadly passed away on November 26 at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York due to complications following surgery.

R.I.P.
Title: Re: The Bird With The Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1969)
Post by: Ben Cobb on 28 Nov 2013 - 09:12
Tony Musante sadly passed away on November 26 at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York due to complications following surgery.

R.I.P.

Sad to hear that. RIP