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Title: Interesting DVD label
Post by: broonage on 21 Oct 2007 - 08:57
Hi guys, sorry i've not posted here so much the past week or so.
The only time i can is during my work hours or the weekend. Been so busy with both :-*

Anyway, has anyone got DVDs from this company:
http://www.deimosdvd.com/?page=home

Some interesting things there. Lots of Paul Naschy too. The dvds seem to have a nice lick of paint, uncut etc...
Also if you click the link Ink and Paint, there's a DVD of the Original Ghostbusters - i remember that when i was a kid!

Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 21 Oct 2007 - 17:56
Anyway, has anyone got DVDs from this company:
http://www.deimosdvd.com/?page=home

Their Spanish horror titles are amazing,beautiful transfers with English/Spanish options and loads of cool extras.They're about to release HORROR RISES FROM THE TOMB which i'm in two minds to buy as i've already got the Mondo Crash 2 disc but Amando de Ossorio's THE LORELY'S GRASP is a must,love this film and rate it as good as NIGHT OF THE SORCERERS.Just hope they sell enough to warrant them releasing the next batch which will contain classics like COUNT DRACULA'S GREAT LOVE and HUNCHBACK OF THE MORGUE amongst others.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: MarcMorris on 21 Oct 2007 - 18:21
They are a sub-label of BCI-Eclipse (aka Brentwood).

Some of their new sites:

www.deimosdvd.com
www.inkandpaintdvd.com
www.roninentertainment.com
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 21 Oct 2007 - 19:23
They've put out some good stuff but their releases are suspect. In interviews they claimed to have spent thousands (even millions!) on remastering titles regardless of the fact that said films have already been released in their country of origin or like there cartoon sets like HE-MAN and SHE-RA, these were just ports of the British releases.

They also claimed to have spent over a million dollars remastering the original ULTRAMAN show which was entangled in a legal battle between the Thai company Chaiyo and original owners Tsuburaya. BCI claimed to have the rights to the show but they did not. Tsuburaya wanted to work with them but they didn't want to deal with them as they got the prints from Chaiyo (who had no legal claim to the show and have recently lost their court battle to Tsuburaya over this) for a, no doubt, much smaller sum. Upon seeing the shows, they have obviously not been remastered and the box claims that the episodes revert to Japanese because these bits were never dubbed into English is another lie as I have many of these tapes and they contain the scenes in English. Chaiyo simply didn't have complete English tracks for the shows as they did not legally own the show to begin with and nor did BCI.

There recent Naschy release are questionable too as these have already been released overseas sans subtitles. Granted, when these were remastered, it is possible that they remastered all other cuts for the various markets (as Celestial did with their Shaw Brothers movies) before BCI acquired them. Either way, I'm glad many of these are coming out, but they've been caught telling too many stories for me to believe they've totally abandoned their pirate ways. They do make lots of revenue from their PRIDE FIGHTING CHAMPIONSHIPS DVDs though and I'm sure they had to have paid for those. Of all the Naschy's, MUMMY'S REVENGE and NIGHT OF THE HOWLING BEAST needs to come out. I heard BEAST WITH THE MAGIC SWORD (one of Naschy's Spain/Japan co-prod) is possibly coming out.

HUNCHBACK OF THE MORGUE is already out in a beautiful release from Anolis.

Title: Re: Interesting DVDl label
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 21 Oct 2007 - 19:40
There recent Naschy release are questionable too as these have already been released overseas sans subtitles. Granted, when these were remastered, it is possible that they remastered all other cuts for the various markets (as Celestial did with their Shaw Brothers movies) before BCI acquired them.
You need to read the last years worth of posts over at Laternia forum.
Title: Re: Interesting DVDl label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 21 Oct 2007 - 19:42
Is that the 15 or 16 pages of bickering between Bill Knight and other posters about the cut footage?
Title: Re: Interesting DVDl label
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 21 Oct 2007 - 19:43
Is that the 15 or 16 pages of bickering between Bill Knight and other posters about the cut footage?
Different edits for different markets.
Title: Re: Interesting DVDl label
Post by: Paul on 21 Oct 2007 - 19:45
I have NIGHT OF THE SORCERORS and will most definitely have BLUE EYES OF A BROKEN DOLL when it comes out.
Title: Re: Interesting DVDl label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 21 Oct 2007 - 19:47
Which thread am I looking for, Stephen? I see lots of them in the Naschy forum.
Title: Re: Interesting DVDl label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 21 Oct 2007 - 19:48
WHEN THE SCREAMING STOPS (LORELEI'S GRASP) is a good one. Hopefully the original cut doesn't have those silly red flashes letting you know something gruesome is happening.
Title: Re: Interesting DVDl label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 21 Oct 2007 - 19:59
I found a thread about WEREWOLF & THE YETI not having the nude bits which are bordering on hard core anyway so these were probably removed from the Spanish release back then.
Title: Re: Interesting DVDl label
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 21 Oct 2007 - 20:00
Which thread am I looking for, Stephen? I see lots of them in the Naschy forum.
This is one of many
http://p210.ezboard.com/BCI-Anticipation-along-with-some-jitters/fthelatarniaforumsfrm1.showMessage?topicID=586.topic (http://p210.ezboard.com/BCI-Anticipation-along-with-some-jitters/fthelatarniaforumsfrm1.showMessage?topicID=586.topic)
Title: Re: Interesting DVDl label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 21 Oct 2007 - 20:15
Well, I read the thread you linked to and it doesn't change my opinion of BCI in any way. Again, it's great these are coming out, but there methods are suspect in my eyes as well as many others. Anchor Bay didn't release any more Naschy movies because the initial two they had didn't sell. They paid for those movies remastering and all. How could BCI do this and still sell these things for $10? No way, man. The market for these is tiny and I don't believe they've invested tons of money into these and expect a profit. If they are spending all this cash, whoever is fronting the bread has HUGE pockets and apparently doesn't care about getting a "hole" in that pocket.

Cliff himself was attacked on the dvdmaniacs forum (as well as amazon.com) over the ULTRAMAN debacle. He stated he spent a million dollars remastering those and that's been proven to be a lie among several other things.

They also most recently claimed to have remastered the original KAGE NO GUNDAN season 1 Sonny Chiba show but this one was already done in Japan. They simply added subs to them and the release looks worse than the Japanese box set. BCI made the prints look darker somehow.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 21 Oct 2007 - 20:17
Thanks for the link though. It's a nice site.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 21 Oct 2007 - 20:21
The Naschy/Spanish horror discs look great,more power to them and i hope we see many more.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 21 Oct 2007 - 20:23
The Naschy/Spanish horror discs look great,more power to them and i hope we see many more.

I agree with you. They look great. More power. Just I wish they'd stop with the lies and be more honest about their various releases.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 21 Oct 2007 - 20:25
Well i haven't noticed any lies about the Spanish discs,all look even better than i expected with some lovely extras and packaging.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 21 Oct 2007 - 20:29
Yes they do but if AB lost money on their Naschy releases, how are BCI doing it and able to sell them for such a cheap price? Obviously you know that this is a niche market....very small.

I really don't care, I'm only specifying that they've done shady deals since becoming BCI and nothing more. A lot of their recent releases are public domain as well. The grindhouse stuff and their kung fu titles.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: MarcMorris on 21 Oct 2007 - 21:00
How do you know AB lost money on them? Do you know somebody there?
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 21 Oct 2007 - 21:04
No. But if they hadn't there would have been more of them. I did speak with one of their reps about the Hammer discs and was told that those didn't sell as well as they'd have liked.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: MarcMorris on 21 Oct 2007 - 21:23
That's not true - I know for a fact the the company which licensed them to Anchor Bay only had those two Naschy titles.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 21 Oct 2007 - 21:25
That's not true - I know for a fact the the company which licensed them to Anchor Bay only had those two Naschy titles.

Okay. Well why didn't AB try to license more of them then?
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Kevin Coed on 22 Oct 2007 - 04:29
Could have been for a multitude of reasons. None of which may have been because the two they did release 'didn't sell well'.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 22 Oct 2007 - 04:43
Possible but if you check the sales charts on amazon the recent BCI releases are in the 72,000s.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Kevin Coed on 22 Oct 2007 - 04:58
What does that have to do with the Anchor Bay releases?
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 22 Oct 2007 - 05:27
What does that have to do with the Anchor Bay releases?

Nothing. There sales are ranked at nearly 74,000. I only mentioned the BCI discs because they are the most recent. Look, I don't care how good or bad they sold, the initial comments were about BCI's releases. But obviously, you have to agree if a company releases a title and it sells the logical next step is to acquire more of the same. Look at how many times AB has released the EVIL DEAD movies and the HALLOWEEN films. And they're about to re-release them AGAIN.

I don't know how many copies were actually sold but it seems apparent to me that they didn't move very many. I bought them and would buy more of them. Regardless of BCI's legitimacy or how they go about acquiring prints will not stop me from buying the discs that I want from them I was only pointing out some shady things they've done recently and in the past.

If AB's Hammer discs didn't sell very well than it's pretty much a given that the two Naschy's didn't either. I had spoke with one of the reps with AB a few years back about acquiring VAMPIRE CIRCUS or TWINS OF EVIL and I was told that they would release what they had but that the sales weren't as good as expected but he would inquire about these. I know I had to return a dozen or more of their discs because they were defective. If you remember, a lot of critics thought AB was going down the drain because of their bad QC department. I could go on about various other releases that were defective and this may have been part of what hurt the sales of those discs.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: broonage on 22 Oct 2007 - 07:15
I think i may buy some goodies from this site.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 22 Oct 2007 - 08:19
Il Commissario you do know that Marc actually works for Anchor Bay UK and had a hand in most of their releases,i can safely say he knows abit more on the subject.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Kevin Coed on 22 Oct 2007 - 15:43
What does that have to do with the Anchor Bay releases?

Nothing.

Well why say it as if it's somehow pertinent to the discussion. All you are doing is stating hypothesis as if it were fact.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: MarcMorris on 22 Oct 2007 - 16:50
I think it's very unfair to criticize a company that is doing its utmost to bring niche market titles to DVD, whilst basing your posts on imdb comments and forum 'heresay'. I've done some work for the guys myself and I know they really are trying to do their best with these releases.

There is simply no way you can equate amazon sales ranks with actual sales - this is just ONE online store's rating. For example, amazon UK list our recent release at around the 3,000 mark, yet it's in the HMV top 40. It just means that amazon haven't sold as many, probably because they didn't negotaite such a good price with the distributor.

And Anchor Bay didn't license additional Naschy titles for the reasons I stated above - the two they did release were purchased as part of a package. Had the same licensor had more Naschy titles then they would have acquired these too.

And if they "didn't sell well in the US" - then why did they bother releasing them in the UK at all?

I think it's important to clear this up now and try to put an end to this unfair badmouthing of a company that is trying its utmost to please most of the fans. For this they shoud be applauded and supported by buying their discs - otherwise we may not be fortunate enough to see more of these cool titles on DVD.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 22 Oct 2007 - 19:51
I never badmouthed Anchor Bay! I've bought nearly every disc they've ever put out! Granted I had to return a ton of them, but I bought almost everything. When did I badmouth them? Whatever. From now on I'll keep my opinions to myself as it seems I'm denied them when I don't agree with the majority.

My comments were towards BCI, not AB! AB released a number of movies in the UK they didn't release here which I ASSUME means they had more faith those titles would sell better there. I didn't criticize AB. What by saying they released a bunch of bad batches of discs? It's the TRUTH! Did it stop me from buying their discs.........? NO! Did AB UK release a bunch of bad discs? I don't know as the only title I've bought from AB UK was DAWN OF THE MUMMY.

I already said I don't know how many they sold. I know several people who work in the DVD industry and I even help out on some of the releases subtitling and some of the titles (both legit and otherwise) DO NOT SELL. Therefore, these particular titles will be discontinued and no further similar titles will be released. Had AB's two Naschy flicks moved a lot of units than I'm sure they would have looked for other titles to acquire. SPECULATION...YES, BUT I STAND BY IT.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: MarcMorris on 22 Oct 2007 - 20:47
I was referring to the badmouthing of BCI.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 22 Oct 2007 - 21:42
I have bought almost everything BCI has released but the badmouthing IS NOT HERESAY as far as they are concerned. THEY DID NOT LEGALLY OWN THE RIGHTS TO THE ULTRAMAN SHOW EVEN THOUGH THEY CLAIMED THEY CONTACTED TSUBURAYA THEY DID NOT. TSUBURAYA WANTED TO WORK WITH THEM BUT BCI DID NOT WANT TO "PAY" FOR THE MASTERS SO THEY WENT WITH CHAIYO. CHAIYO RECENTLY LOST A LONG COURT BATTLE AND CAN NO LONGER RELEASE, SELL OR EVEN MAKE SHOWS SIMILAR TO, OR INCLUDING ULTRAMAN AND HIS LIKENESS. A friend who has ties with Tsuburaya told me this and that Tsuburaya was upset with BCI for this. And I'm pretty sure this is truth as my friend did some subtitling work for Tsuburaya as I have the check discs for these and these discs were shown in 2004 in California at the World premiere of that godawful GODZILLA FINAL WARS.

That's great that they want to put out niche titles but regardless, they've done underhanded things to get their discs out. Does that mean I'll stop buying their stuff? No! In fact, I've got three friends who are PISSED AT ME for supporting BCI but until a better version of whatever it is comes out, I'm gonna buy their stuff.

That's how I feel about them and I have a right to my opinion just as anybody else does. I don't like some of the things they've done and they have lied about some of the releases not just the ULTRAMAN debacle. I'm still buying them though because nobody else is putting the stuff out.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 22 Oct 2007 - 21:58
That's how I feel about them and I have a right to my opinion just as anybody else does.
No one said you didn't,infact you were the one who brought up all this.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 22 Oct 2007 - 22:05
Yes, but things I said were taken out of context as if I was trying to keep people from buying the discs and if you look at my collection, that is not the case. And you, yourself made a comment towards me as if I was taking a jab at AB when I wasn't. And nay me all you want as I could care less about a stupid number anyways.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 22 Oct 2007 - 22:08
Oh Christ!I'm off to watch some Mario Bianchi   ;)

What's that Viz character called? Terry ....?  :-\
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 22 Oct 2007 - 22:10
Cool. Do let me know what your friend digs up in regards to possible english dubs. Whether they existed, no longer exist or where never done. I tried to PM you about it but you seem to have blocked me. :-*
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 22 Oct 2007 - 22:13
I tried to PM you about it but you seem to have blocked me. :-*
Is it any surprise i have :D
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: broonage on 23 Oct 2007 - 06:55
i'm sorry to have mentioned this company. Didn't mean to bring up arguments.

Everyone take a step back and relax.  ::)

But it is GREAT banter! lol
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Mirek on 04 Nov 2007 - 13:12
Hi, guys.  I can't speak for BCI's other acquisitions, but the Spanish horror titles were acquired from the legitimate licensor of these titles and the company did pay a pretty penny for them.  You can't receive high-quality HD masters of vault elements any other way.


Mirek
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 04 Nov 2007 - 14:43
Thanks for posting Mirek and keep up the good work with those stunning Spanish horror dvd releases,great job.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Mirek on 04 Nov 2007 - 15:12
Thanks, Stephen!  Though I'm trying my best to help with these releases, a lot of praise should go to BCI (and Cliff) for taking a chance on them.  Without money, you can't do anything.  Euro-horror is a niche market, so that whenever a DVD company steps up to try their hand at releasing anything from the genre we should be grateful and, I hope, as supportive financially as we can, given our own financial situation.  It really is a perilous time for non-major DVD companies.  Witness what's happened to No Shame and CasaNegra--and, to some extent, Blue Underground.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: broonage on 04 Nov 2007 - 17:42
i'm a little ignorant when it comes to all things "dvd labels". But it surprises me that companies like BU are struggling, especially when they release excellent titles, I for one buy them regularly. I suppose they put a lot of time, money, and effort into a title yet it sells for £10 on sites.

BTW, keep up the great work Mirek.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Mirek on 04 Nov 2007 - 18:10
Thanks, broonage.  I don't know if this forum has had such a discussion, but there have been a few changes in the last couple of years regarding the distribution of DVDs.  Speaking for the USA, significant venues like Tower have closed down, and the major ones that remain, like Best Buy, tend to stock what's popular to the general public and not the horror fan (unless it's the latest SAW or HOSTEL film).  That leaves smaller DVD labels with less of an opportunity to present their product to buyers.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Kevin Coed on 04 Nov 2007 - 18:19
When I was in the US a few months ago I couldn't find anything 'cult' in the shops, with the sole exception of Amoeba in SF and LA. The time before that even places like Borders had sections full to bursting of stuff for me to buy.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 04 Nov 2007 - 18:22
Really hope these BCI Nashcy/Spanish horror titles do well and we get to see more releases including the second batch with Count Draula's Great Love,Hunchback etc.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 04 Nov 2007 - 18:24
I posted a link to a write up in the NY Times about it in general discussion. According to the president of Casa Negra, they aren't dead yet. Unless something else has come out about it. It's a shame about them if it is true as they handled every aspect of there releases lending them a Criterion level of attention.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Kevin Coed on 04 Nov 2007 - 18:25
DRAGONFLY FOR EACH CORPSE is the one I'm most looking forward to. God knows why but I've got a liking for that film.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Jonny on 04 Nov 2007 - 18:29
I posted a link to a write up in the NY Times about it in general discussion. According to the president of Casa Negra, they aren't dead yet. Unless something else has come out about it. It's a shame about them if it is true as they handled every aspect of there releases lending them a Criterion level of attention.

No one said they are dead yet mate, just that times are hard in general for niche genre DVD companies.

Welcome to the forum btw Mirek.  :'(
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 04 Nov 2007 - 18:34
True, but elsewhere people are saying they're out of business. Supposedly, one of the owners of Synapse let it slip that they were going out of business. They did change presidents recently and two of their releases were canceled indefinitely. I certainly hope they're not finished as I haven't seen many of these since I was a kid and some not at all.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Jonny on 04 Nov 2007 - 18:36
Ahh, OK cool. I didn't know about that.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Kevin Coed on 04 Nov 2007 - 18:39
True, but elsewhere people are saying they're out of business. Supposedly, one of the owners of Synapse let it slip that they were going out of business. They did change presidents recently and two of their releases were canceled indefinitely. I certainly hope they're not finished as I haven't seen many of these since I was a kid and some not at all.

Really? First I've heard of that. Sad news if it's true.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 04 Nov 2007 - 18:39
Apparently this happened back in August. Bloodvamp made a comment about in the Mexi-horror thread and that was the first I'd heard but I looked it up and it seems they are in trouble in some fashion. Their site is still up though. I contacted them but never got a response.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Kevin Coed on 04 Nov 2007 - 18:40
Sorry, I was talking about Synapse.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 04 Nov 2007 - 18:43
Here's a link...It's about three paragraphs down. A real shame if it's truth. Casa Negra even won a Rondo award for best DVD company last year for their releases.

http://www.cinemastrikesback.com/?p=1951
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 04 Nov 2007 - 18:44
Sorry, I was talking about Synapse.

No problem. It would have been easy to mistake it. I meant CasaNegra.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Kevin Coed on 04 Nov 2007 - 18:46
Doh!
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: Mirek on 04 Nov 2007 - 19:20
I posted a link to a write up in the NY Times about it in general discussion. According to the president of Casa Negra, they aren't dead yet. Unless something else has come out about it. It's a shame about them if it is true as they handled every aspect of there releases lending them a Criterion level of attention.

No one said they are dead yet mate, just that times are hard in general for niche genre DVD companies.

Welcome to the forum btw Mirek.  :'(

Thanks, Jonny.

It's not surprising that CasaNegra has had problems, despite their sterling releases.  A lot of the stuff we're interested in or enthusiastic about is completely unknown to most DVD buyers out there.  Mexican horror films? And in black and white?  The masses tend to stay away from both.
Title: Re: Interesting DVD label
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 05 Nov 2007 - 03:42
I bought a bunch of discs in Best Buy tonight and I noticed that 4 of the Naschy releases were there and they all had "BEST BUY & BEST BUY.COM EXCLUSIVE". Also EXORCISM and SORCERERS was in a thick double box while the other two were simply wrapped together in separate boxes. I don't know how they're exclusive to BB.com as I bought the werewolf and zombie titles on deepdiscount.com.

Speaking of CasaNegra, back when they first began, Best Buy was stocking their titles in the stores. I bought BRAINIAC, CURSE OF THE CRYING WOMAN and THE VAMPIRE COLLECTION which contained the classic THE VAMPIRE and THE VAMPIRE'S COFFIN. At least in this store they sold the titles. when others were released I asked about their availability and was told by a manager that they were beginning to downsize their lesser known titles to make more room for newer movies. This was sometime last year. But that all the films could be purchased online.

In all seriousness, whether the titles are in-store or only purchasable online, I can think of no one who would gamble on most if not all these older, obscure (to the mainstream) movies anyway. If you couldn't find them in the store, they could always be obtained online and more times than not, much cheaper than if you bought them in a store. The generation who remembers these are getting older or "dying out" and there are very few new fans for these. Possibly if some of these companies had another, more profitable source of income than those sustained finances could help maintain these slow sellers and possibly help get more desired films into the market.