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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #15 on: 25 Apr 2008 - 20:42 »

Yeah...that's why democrats Joseph Lieberman and Tipper Gore spearheaded censorship campaigns against various media in the 90s...


Lieberman might as well be a Republican, he's endorsed McCain for President and supports the war.

I recently bought an anamorphic R0 NTSC version from Luminous Film Video Wurks (They're a little slow in getting product out).  The transfer is a little soft, but it'll  do till WB gets off their butts and does an official release.

 http://www.lfvw.com/devils.html
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #16 on: 10 Aug 2008 - 16:51 »

Well, May came and went and no DVD release.

Another grey market release has shown up, it's a copy of the BBC transmission from a few years ago, cropped down to 16:9. Low-res image quality, but completely uncut. Also includes various TV documentaries about the film and Russell's original run-in with the censors.
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.542592/qx/details.htm
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #17 on: 11 Aug 2008 - 02:39 »

I saw this last night in a cut version 35mm print in Sydney. The print was in DIRE condition, and as I said it was cut, it was however, still cool to see it finally.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #18 on: 30 Aug 2008 - 16:21 »

DESPERATELY needs a release doesn't it? >:(
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #19 on: 11 Feb 2009 - 22:47 »

I bought a Maverick Director's vhs from a certain auction site for a fiver,so this and the DVDR will need to suffice in the meantime.Is there an actual longer cut than this?
Warner should use the below for their artwork-beautiful poster! 8)
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #20 on: 12 Feb 2009 - 12:02 »

Another grey market release has shown up, it's a copy of the BBC transmission from a few years ago, cropped down to 16:9. Low-res image quality, but completely uncut. Also includes various TV documentaries about the film and Russell's original run-in with the censors.
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.542592/qx/details.htm

got this one and it's probably the best option available right now. image quality varies from good to so-so, but with all those extras, I'm happy with it. And Warners can go to hell. or to Salt Lake City...
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« Reply #21 on: 12 Feb 2009 - 12:10 »

Tipper Gore has been a target in a couple of Ice-t tracks :)
which instantly makes her sympathetic in my eyes. Hip hop is one of those things which make me think, BRING IN THE CENSOR, PLEASE!
Isn't Ice-T that retard who posed with bikini-clad bimbos and a machine gun? Or was that Ice Cube? anyway, they're sexist assholes, all of them! Kill Hip hop, do it NOW!  :)  >:(
(well, it's dead by now anyway...)
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« Reply #22 on: 12 Feb 2009 - 14:05 »

Tipper Gore has been a target in a couple of Ice-t tracks :)
which instantly makes her sympathetic in my eyes. Hip hop is one of those things which make me think, BRING IN THE CENSOR, PLEASE!
Isn't Ice-T that retard who posed with bikini-clad bimbos and a machine gun? Or was that Ice Cube? anyway, they're sexist assholes, all of them! Kill Hip hop, do it NOW!  :)  >:(
(well, it's dead by now anyway...)

Huh?


Please, less censorship, not more.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #23 on: 13 Feb 2009 - 12:22 »

Tipper Gore has been a target in a couple of Ice-t tracks :)
which instantly makes her sympathetic in my eyes. Hip hop is one of those things which make me think, BRING IN THE CENSOR, PLEASE!
Huh?
Please, less censorship, not more.

aah, that's what I used to believe in, too. changed my mind just recently after watching a muslim immigrant preacher on telly, he was asking for all Jews and gays to be wiped from the earth.
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« Reply #24 on: 13 Feb 2009 - 16:35 »

Tipper Gore has been a target in a couple of Ice-t tracks :)
which instantly makes her sympathetic in my eyes. Hip hop is one of those things which make me think, BRING IN THE CENSOR, PLEASE!
Huh?
Please, less censorship, not more.

aah, that's what I used to believe in, too. changed my mind just recently after watching a muslim immigrant preacher on telly, he was asking for all Jews and gays to be wiped from the earth.

...and what does Hip Hop have to do with a sole whacked out person wanting to off groups of people? 

You know Christians had their Crusades, so should Christian preachers be censored?  Should Shakespeare be banned because young teenage lovers commit suicide in Romeo and Juliet?  Should any Giallo film that has Barabara Bouchet trying to seduce a young boy be censored?  What about Bouchet shaking her ass on a table-top in a go-go bar in a skimpy bikini?  What about any Edwige Fenech film that has gratuitous nudity?  What about a polizioteschi film where a mafioso kills innocent people and goes unpunished?  What about Mondo films?

You're headed down a slippery slope my friend with censorship.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #25 on: 14 Feb 2009 - 05:55 »

I don't see any reason at all for censorship, anywhere.  I'm fine for things to be classified, as it serves a useful purpose (though even this goes overboard in the US sometimes as various theaters used the NC-17 rating to drop whole movies down the toilet), but censorship is a waste of everyone's time.  Misguided folk who counter with "..so, you'd be okay with kiddie porn/murder/snuff videos being sold, then?" (something I've seen pop up on numerous threads on genre boards about censorship) should be fully aware that those acts are already illegal and subject to prosecution without the censorship process needing a look in at all, and increasing government censorship likely affects those events not one bit.  (I can see the argument for censorship even increasing the chance of certain types of crimes, as Japan, with its full-on rape/S+M porn and leering sexual imagery throughout much of its media, still today has one of the lower rates of crime, sexual and otherwise, in the developed world).

  Fucking Warner should get its act together with THE DEVILS, it's well overdue for a release.   :)  :)  I find it interesting though that the official word from Warner when that cover leaked was that the cover and announcement was "..a mistake", giving the impression that it had appeared internally and might have been set to go until some Bush-fearing head honcho said nada.

  Get off your fucking arse Warner and release this movie while Ken Russell is still with us, you slow fucking pricks! 
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« Reply #26 on: 14 Feb 2009 - 06:03 »

I don't see any reason at all for censorship, anywhere.

Amen!  ;)
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #27 on: 16 Feb 2009 - 10:33 »

I don't see any reason at all for censorship, anywhere. 
well I do respect this point of view, but I don't share it. I tend to think that often things are more complicated. Censorship IS highly problematic (who's to decide?), and can only ever be an expedient. But there are more difficult things than Edwige's tits or Barbara Bouchet's seducing a minor. I mean, I certainly don't mind that someone like Beenie Man is punished for his attitude (quote: "I'm dreaming of a new Jamaica, come to execute all the gays") by not being allowed into the UK, and this IS a form of censorship, too. Of course it's questionable as to what positive effect this will have, but on the other hand you can't just let things like that go on.
It's a highly unpopular point of view especially in circles like this, but I often feel that the whole fuss about violent films being cut is a bit gratuitous/automatic. I know that most will disagree, but personally I'm often rather indifferent to the question whether I can see some zombie's head explode in minute detail, or whether the scene's been cut - we're not talking about some Antonioni film but products that were spiced up with sex and violence for the sole reason of maximizing the commerical returns. "Saw part 85" or "Hostel" being cut? so what??
It often seems a lot like a predicatble game - directors put in some in-your-face violence to give a film a commerical boost, which is then being cut by the censor. next thing is that fans start to go rabid, and talk of "art" and all that. though a lot of it has more to do with cold calculating (and greed) than with freedom of speech, or art. 
So consequently I couldn't care less if some Lenzi cannibal flick is being cut to shreds (though I quite like Lenzi), while at the same time I feel totally offended when somethig like "The Devils" is being cut, or withdrawn from release so as not to provoke possible outrage.
As I said, I know this is highly unpopular and I'm unlikely to make new friends this way, but I just can't help it.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #28 on: 16 Feb 2009 - 12:02 »

I certainly don't mind that someone like Beenie Man is punished for his attitude (quote: "I'm dreaming of a new Jamaica, come to execute all the gays") by not being allowed into the UK, and this IS a form of censorship, too.
But they soon let Islamic preachers of hate into the country, then some Dutch bloke wants to show his film against the preachers of hate in the U.K. and is not allowed in.

It's all double dutch to me

It seems nowdays that PC counts for one thing and not another.
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« Reply #29 on: 16 Feb 2009 - 12:35 »

There are kooks and haters everywhere.  Catholic Bishops saying the Holocuast didn't happen.  What a crock of Shite.

We have a Baptist preacher in the U.S., named Fred Phelps, who protests at just about every American soldier's funeral with signs that say "God hates fags."  Phelps truly believes that our soldiers die, because our country, in his opinion, condones homosexuality.  Wacko!  :o

If you suppress speech, it just goes underground where it ferments, but if it's aboveground, you can counter it with better speech, that makes the fucked-up idiotic speech and messages of hate, look ridiculous and pathetic.  Of course the Dutch filmmaker should've been allowed into the UK to show his film.   

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/10/holocaust-denial-bishop-sacked

http://www.godhatesfags.com/



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