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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #30 on: 16 Feb 2009 - 13:17 »

Political correctness is completely absurd notion as far as I'm concerned. To be PC one actually treats minority groups differently when in fact, everybody should be treated the same. Political correctness does nothing but to stir anger and resentment towards the people is supposedly protecting.

That "God Hates Fags" guy has been profiled on two different British documentaries - one by Louis Theroux, the other by Keith "father of Lili" Allen, I believe. Part of me thinks that people like that should be left to carry on, as they're only digging themselves further into a hole and are dispised by the majority, anyway. The other part of me thinks that they should be locked up so that they're not allowed to carry on like that at the funerals of the servicemen. It's disresptful to those that have died and like spitting in the face of their familes and loved ones.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #31 on: 16 Feb 2009 - 17:53 »

Political correctness is completely absurd notion as far as I'm concerned. To be PC one actually treats minority groups differently when in fact, everybody should be treated the same. Political correctness does nothing but to stir anger and resentment towards the people is supposedly protecting.

That "God Hates Fags" guy has been profiled on two different British documentaries - one by Louis Theroux, the other by Keith "father of Lili" Allen, I believe. Part of me thinks that people like that should be left to carry on, as they're only digging themselves further into a hole and are dispised by the majority, anyway. The other part of me thinks that they should be locked up so that they're not allowed to carry on like that at the funerals of the servicemen. It's disresptful to those that have died and like spitting in the face of their familes and loved ones.

I agree about being PC.  It's rubbish.

RE: Phelps

In the U.S. we have time, place and manner laws, which while not banning free speech, can limit its effectiveness if it becomes overbearing.  In response to the likes of Phelps, some local governments have now passed laws that a person has to be so many yards - 500, for example -  from a funeral  if you are going to protest.  So while it doesn't ban Phelps' speech, it limits its brunt.  He can have his little idiotic protest, the family can have a dignified funeral.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #32 on: 17 Feb 2009 - 05:47 »

Seems fair enough, though on reflection (and I won't bang on about the political side of things here) I recall Bush and the Republicans often had 'free speech zones' passed or enforced when Bush was giving a speech somewhere and protesters wanted to voice their anger nearby.  The protesters were told to fuck off 1km/2km/3km or however far away it was and do their protest there, making them a moot point well out of earshot of the Republicans who didn't have to be bothered by hearing the protests.

  In Oz it was just as bad when Bush visited, local protesters were told to fuck right off away from our local Parliament.  Again, Bush got to mooch around at a BBQ with our (now gone) dipshit PM without being bothered by the sounds of people unhappy that he might have started a war or two.

  I'm rambling a bit.  Prospero, don't worry about 'not making any friends', this is a pretty relaxed forum I've found and I actually respect your point of view.  You've given some solid thought to the matter, which is a good thing.

  I have a Korean girlfriend and if someone started spouting seriously vicious racist stuff at her within my earshot I'd probably punch their lights out.  That said I think film censorship is a load of crap and wish my own country was more relaxed about sex and violence in films like Japan and some European countries seem to be.  (This is making allowances for the fogged-pubes stuff Japan used to put up with, but I still find what they allow in their films to be more wild and extreme than most western countries).
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #33 on: 17 Feb 2009 - 11:39 »

That said I think film censorship is a load of crap and wish my own country was more relaxed about sex and violence in films like Japan and some European countries seem to be.  (This is making allowances for the fogged-pubes stuff Japan used to put up with, but I still find what they allow in their films to be more wild and extreme than most western countries).
politically, I suppose censorship is often more a kind of political statement rather than an effective method of fighting extremism. which somehow is no contradiction, to me at least. How you judge censorship probably depends on what you define as its purpose. Here in Germany, for instance, swastikas, SS-Signs and Hitlers "Mein Kampf" are strictly banned, which is a clear case of censorship, and I'm not exactly unhappy about that. Sure, it won't end Anti-Semitism or fascist idiocies, but it makes life a bit more difficult for those who wish to promote such ideologies.
But to get back to films, the point I was trying to make is that somehow and sometimes it seems to be part of the game, doesn't it? I mean, exploitation films do consciously push boundaries and often the directors clearly intend to break a taboo and trigger censorship which in turn gives the fim some sort of notoriety. Therefore, the usual reaction of bans and outrage seems an integral part of the whole idea of exploitation films. Lenzi, for one, definitely benefited from the controversy surrounding his cannibal flicks. and it adds to the fun of watching this stuff, doesn't it? Just think how boring it would be if you could just walk into the next HMV or whatever store and pick up the totally uncut version of "New York Ripper"... it's so much more attractive having to get it from the "specialized dealer"...
the Japanese pubes-blurring-mania is of course a different matter, cause it's basically like saying that the human body as such is offensive. Or perhaps you have to be Asian to understand this.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #34 on: 23 Mar 2009 - 05:38 »

Warners are doing their annual Home Theater Forum chat Monday night USA time, so if anyone's going to ask them about THE DEVILS (not just from this board, but in general, as various heads-ups alerting folks to the chat have been posted on a number of boards), now is the time.  If Warner doesn't announce THE DEVILS or at least confirm its on its way for later this year, I'm off to HKFlix.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #35 on: 24 Mar 2009 - 00:00 »

Chat's going as I type this.  Someone asked an early question about THE DEVILS, Warner hinted that they knew someone would ask that question, but ultimately just replied yeah, we're working on it, with no other details or date or year or promises beyond that.  I'm a bit disappointed, though I guess not surprised, and will grab the HKFlix version in the next month or so.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #36 on: 25 Jul 2010 - 18:20 »

Just to mention this here--as it has already been alluded to by Magnus and Jonny in the Latest Purchase thread--Warner is issuing this on DVD in Spain this Wednesday (28th July) and can be bought from this PayPal friendly retailer:

The Devils - Starscafe (Spain)
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #37 on: 25 Jul 2010 - 19:39 »

The Devils (Warner, Spain)

Where did you order from?


Here you go Ben...

The Devils - Starscafe (Spain)


Is it uncut?  

The synopsis (combined from the English and Spanish pages - see translation below) says nothing about this and the rating below on the English friendly page it states "Rating: R" which was the same rating as the cut VHS that Warners released in the States.  On the Spanish Friendly page it states "(Reino Unido)[+18]" United Kingdom 18+ and below the synopsis it states "Clasificación: Mayores de 18 años" or "Rating: over 18."

The Spanish synopsis:

"en una de sus mejores interpretaciones, [Reed] da vida a un sacerdote con unas ideas religiosas y políticas radicales que, unidas a su promiscuidad sexual, le granjean numerosos enemigos.

Cuando las monjas de un convento parece haber sido "embrujadas", se le acusa del mayor delito: la herejía."

The translated synopsis (to English) reads:

"in one of his best performances, [Reed] portrays a priest with some radical political and religious ideas, which together with his sexual promiscuity, earned him many enemies.

When the nuns from a [local] convent appear to be "possessed," [Reed] is accused of heresy, the greatest sin"
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #38 on: 25 Jul 2010 - 19:42 »

I don't know if it's uncut, but I volunteered to find out... stay tuned.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #39 on: 25 Jul 2010 - 19:51 »

I don't know if it's uncut, but I volunteered to find out... stay tuned.


Thanks, mate.

I've got, according to Luminous Film& Video Wurks,
"The Most Complete Version."


The quality is of the transfer is somewhat soft and the rumor, if I remember correctly, is that the uncut footage was taken from a British telecast a few years back which screened it uncut.

http://www.lfvw.com/devils.html
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #40 on: 25 Jul 2010 - 19:53 »

So if the Spanish DVD is indeed 111 mins PAL it should be even longer... we'll just have to wait and see.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #41 on: 25 Jul 2010 - 19:54 »

I would assume it's the longer version, as it has been screened at the BFI.

I checked BBFC website. Last version submitted to them (in 1997) was still cut and ran 106:41 (PAL speed). The one on the Spanish site states 111 - so I am hopeful.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #42 on: 25 Jul 2010 - 20:02 »

I would assume it's the longer version, as it has been screened at the BFI.

I checked BBFC website. Last version submitted to them (in 1997) was still cut and ran 106:41 (PAL speed).

The director's cut has, apparently, been screened and passed by the BBFC according to Mark Kermode.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #43 on: 25 Jul 2010 - 23:44 »

Sounds good and I'm hoping.... but a few of the Spanish DVD outlets I've looked on seem to indicate 103 mins and a non-anamorphic widescreen... here's a link to one of them http://www.dvdgo.com/dvd-los-demonios-dvd/1772203/154275
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #44 on: 26 Jul 2010 - 07:51 »

Sounds good and I'm hoping.... but a few of the Spanish DVD outlets I've looked on seem to indicate 103 mins and a non-anamorphic widescreen... here's a link to one of them http://www.dvdgo.com/dvd-los-demonios-dvd/1772203/154275


We'll have to wait and see, though I'd be very, very surprised if it clocks in at 103, as the longer but still cut widescreen VHS version released in the UK was almost four minutes longer than that.
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