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Author Topic: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)  (Read 46264 times)

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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #60 on: 04 Aug 2010 - 13:02 »

This fascinating reading, thanks so much for all the info.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #61 on: 04 Aug 2010 - 15:59 »

This fascinating reading, thanks so much for all the info.

Thanks for the feedback,I've just fixed all the links on the timeline so It should all now be working [fingers crossed !]
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #62 on: 06 Aug 2010 - 12:36 »

From the Savage Messiah: Ken Russell forum:

http://iainfisher.com/dis/index.php?PHPSESSID=979d2df76235b2a92b25ac57232c0ba1&topic=11456.0

"I got it. It arrived today.

First things first. The rape of Christ sequence is missing. Sadly. Sad
However the picture is in rather fine quality despite the fact there's no 16:9 enhancement. But we do get the theatrical aspect ratio on this disc.
You can choose the English or Spanish language track and threre are removable spanish subtitles included. No extras. Not even a theatrical trailer."

"Ah, now I know. The spanish DVD is slightly longer than 103 minutes. And it's a PAL DVD."

At least it's fully scoped.  Not clear how complete the print is yet.  However, the BBFC lists the abomination that is the 1988 video release (US edit) as 103m 40s (the later release as part of the Maverick Directors collection which is the one currently shown on UK TV has a listed runtime of 106m 41s).

So it looks like it could be the heavily cut US version.


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medway garage

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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #63 on: 06 Aug 2010 - 13:08 »

From the Savage Messiah: Ken Russell forum:

http://iainfisher.com/dis/index.php?PHPSESSID=979d2df76235b2a92b25ac57232c0ba1&topic=11456.0

"I got it. It arrived today.

First things first. The rape of Christ sequence is missing. Sadly. Sad
However the picture is in rather fine quality despite the fact there's no 16:9 enhancement. But we do get the theatrical aspect ratio on this disc.
You can choose the English or Spanish language track and threre are removable spanish subtitles included. No extras. Not even a theatrical trailer."

"Ah, now I know. The spanish DVD is slightly longer than 103 minutes. And it's a PAL DVD."

At least it's fully scoped.  No clear yet how complete the print is yet.  However, the BBFC lists the abomination that is the 1988 video release (US edit) as 103m 40s (the later release as part of the Maverick Directors collection which is the one currently shown on UK TV has a listed runtime of 106m 41s).

So it looks like it could be the heavily cut US version.





That is truly disapointing and with that running time, It sounds like this might be the US cut theatrical version [thus not making a fanedit viable].Here's some info I posted on Dvdmaniacs regarding the various versions;

Running time in PAL for the BBFC aproved UK theatrical cut should be 106m 41s [this version was submited to the BBFC in 1997 for video release and was the longest available until the Angel Digital bootleg ,which added two scenes from the Hell On Earth doc]

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/BVF023919

*Missing from the BBFC version 'Mark Kermode recovered scenes-Rape Of Christ/Sister Jeanne with bone + some others shown briefly in the doc.Also missing is footage from the torture scenes and the notorious sh*t on the altar,approx 89 secs of BBFC cuts according to Mark Kermode*

Here's some info from Wayne at iainfisher.com;

http://www.iainfisher.com/dis/index.php?topic=10538.0

QUOTE;'I believe they found everything that was missing bar the tiny trims. The tiny trims made to the film were very likely binned at the time as they were so slight that reintegrating them into a version of the film at a later time would have been too messy to do and even if achieved would have looked awful. The main trims i can think of were to the leg-breaking of Grandier. This sequence was cut, then trimmed some more...trimmed some more...and some more...literally removing frames of film at one point. So, chances of ever seeing that footage materialise is very likely beyond all hope now...
The only other footage i can recall that was cut that was not mentioned in the documentary as being found in that can of footage was the defecation on the altar during the "public exorcism". There was footage cut that showed the "sh*t on the altar" as Russell termed it and i am guessing that this was not dwelled upon but rather shown for a second or two at the very most. If that was the case, then that would explain why that cut has not been spoken of as available for restoration amongst the found footage as it would no doubt have suffered a similar fate to the near-subliminal trims the Grandier leg-breaking endured. We are talking maybe one second of "sh*t on the altar" and a second or 2 of Grandier's legs being pulped (which, as i say, was demolished almost frame-by-frame)...
But, like you point out, the majority of the cut footage has been found now and is ripe for restoration. The missing few seconds will not really cause much grief amongst fans once they see a restored version materialise, but it IS sad that these tiny fragments are probably lost to time now and that, somewhat frustratingly, Russell's film will never be QUITE the full original vision!
What we have officially available on video (UK edition at least) is around 95% complete. A restoration using the found footage will ensure we get a 99.9% restored edit that will be, for most intents and purposes, the "director's cut" that Russell and all of us have been wanting to see for so long...'



The US VHS/LD release suffered from further cuts including reframing sequences to remove pubic hair [never seen this version,that must have been a quite a job, as there's lots on display ! So If anyone who's got this version can give further details]

Just to complicate matters further the version on iTunes runs just over 108 mins, has anyone compared the torture sequences ,Just in case, although It's highly unlikely as they are thought to be lost forever ! *OR is this just the US theatrical version in It's NTSC speed ?*
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #64 on: 08 Aug 2010 - 16:29 »

This thread made me re-watch 'The Devils' again (hadn't seen it for quite a long while), and it truly is an incredible movie. I was even a bit wobbly chinned, and teary at the end. Powerful stuff. Unbelievable that this bona fide classic is such a bitch to find in a decent DVD version.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #65 on: 03 Sep 2010 - 12:22 »

Has anyone who ordered this from Starscafe got theirs yet?
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #66 on: 03 Sep 2010 - 12:29 »

I got this mail 3 weeks ago, after that - nothing...  :-*

"Dear Magnus

We would like to inform you that your order is suffering a delay against our will.
Where trying our best for you to receive it as soon as possible."
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« Reply #67 on: 03 Sep 2010 - 12:37 »

I got this mail 3 weeks ago, after that - nothing...  :-*

"Dear Magnus

We would like to inform you that your order is suffering a delay against our will.
Where trying our best for you to receive it as soon as possible."


Same here. shower of shite. Makes you wonder if this is a legitimate release, eh? Surely if it was released by Warner they would have rpessed nough to sate initial demand, and if not would have had another pressing done straight away. It's now 5 weeks since the release date!

Has anyone actually seen one of these?
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #70 on: 07 Sep 2010 - 09:34 »

I got this mail 3 weeks ago, after that - nothing...  :-*

"Dear Magnus

We would like to inform you that your order is suffering a delay against our will.
Where trying our best for you to receive it as soon as possible."


I had the same gobbledygook Babelfish translation e-mail and now I'm bombarded with their lovely spam.  Not impressed.
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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #71 on: 07 Sep 2010 - 09:41 »

I have ordered from Stars Café several times before and have always been satisfied...
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Mark GW

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Re: The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
« Reply #72 on: 07 Sep 2010 - 11:43 »

I have ordered from Stars Café several times before and have always been satisfied...

Well, that's encouraging.  It would be nice if they could keep us informed, even if it's a no change status update.  I've heard diddly from them since that e-mail.
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« Reply #73 on: 07 Sep 2010 - 12:11 »

I have ordered from Stars Café several times before and have always been satisfied...

Well, that's encouraging.  It would be nice if they could keep us informed, even if it's a no change status update.  I've heard diddly from them since that e-mail.

I would guess that they're in the same boat as us and it is the manufacturer that's the problem here. It's still bloody frustrating though.
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« Reply #74 on: 07 Sep 2010 - 12:42 »

We spoke too soon!

Just had this:

Dear (a) Paul

I confirm that your order No. 106 787 is ready and will be sent in the next few hours.

This is the content of your order:

Articles
DEMONS DVD 1 € 15.25
Discounts and special offers
Total discounted € -0.46
Total items € 14.79
 
Shipping method chosen: Post € 6.75

 
Total € 21.54

 
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