Euro Cult Movie Forum => Gialli => Topic started by: ecc on 14 Jan 2008 - 21:18

Title: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 14 Jan 2008 - 21:18
I've seen a Nocturno sell-through tape of Umberto Lenzi's SO SWEET SO PERVERSE pop up on ebay every once in a while.  Does anyone know if it is a widescreen release?  I have two DVDRs of this film.  One is the English language Greek-subtitled, cropped release.  The other is an Italian language release with English titles that is also cropped.

Hopefully, someone reissues the soundtrack CD (perhaps coupled with the original music for SEVEN BLOODSTAINED ORCHIDS which largely recycled SO SWEET's themes).
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa/So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 15 Jan 2008 - 14:31
We have licensed the small amount of new music which was composed for SEVEN BLOODSTAINED ORCHIDS, and at the moment the licensor is trying to find their tapes. This will be paired with Riz Ortolani's music for DEATH STEPS IN THE DARK and this CD will hopefully be out in April.  :P
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa/So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: vigilanteforce on 15 Jan 2008 - 15:25
really great news. I love the score for SEVEN BLOODSTAINED ORCHIDS. A music theme from that was earlier featured in SO SWEET SO PERVERSE and later in Akira Ide's mondo film NUOVA GUINEA L'ISOLA DEI CANNIBALI. Can't wait for the CD.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa/So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: Peter on 15 Jan 2008 - 22:28
Nice one Magnus! Put me down for a copy!

And on-topic, I've only got the English language greek subtitled copy myself. Certainly wouldn't mind an upgrade. Still a few of Lenzi's gialli that need to make it onto dvd.
I've got the the Hexacord CD and might be able to help you out ecc!
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa/So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 15 Jan 2008 - 22:32
Thanks Peter, I would appreciate that.

Also looking forward to the ORCHIDS CD.  ORGASMO and PARANOIA on CD would be nice too!  I think I've seen an ORGASMO LP cover somewhere.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa/So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 07 Feb 2008 - 17:38
Italian dvd release coming in April on the Aegida label,2.35:1 anamorphic but Italian language only.

http://www.terminalvideo.com/tvweb/applications/dettaglio.aspx?ART_Id=271937 (http://www.terminalvideo.com/tvweb/applications/dettaglio.aspx?ART_Id=271937)
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa/So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 07 Feb 2008 - 17:46
Yes I noticed that too. I'm sure that an English-friendly version will surface in the near future.  :-X
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa/So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 08 Feb 2008 - 00:21
I'll probably get a copy and try to do a fandub.  I've been looking for this one for a while in widescreen.  The Italian copy I have is fullscreen and I have not been able to determine if its an ex-rental or if the Nocturno tape was cropped (the Italian DVDR I have has English credits like Nocturno's CONTRANATURA tape and I'm thinking if there was an ex-rental it would've had Italian credits).
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa/So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 18 Apr 2008 - 21:12
The Italian DVD is available at Xploited.  Any screencaps?
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa/So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 18 Apr 2008 - 21:13
No, but looking forward to that fandub!  :P
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa/So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: Luca Canali on 18 Apr 2008 - 23:21
ECC: In response to the original question, I have the Italian Nocturno tape and it's full screen mate, it's a superb print though. I was going to fan sub it but now I think I'll stick around for your fan dub of the new DVD release!  :P
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 19 Apr 2008 - 11:42
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I was going to fan sub it but now I think I'll stick around for your fan dub of the new DVD release!

Okay.  If no one else has plans then I will undertake it.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: demented_uk on 19 Apr 2008 - 14:00
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Okay.  If no one else has plans then I will undertake it.

Looking forward to your fandub Eric!

Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 21 Apr 2008 - 23:51
I've ordered it.  It should be here in a couple days.  Anyone know of any differences between the English and Italian versions I should take into account?
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 24 Apr 2008 - 22:40
Just got the disc today.  Just the "play movie" and "scene selections" as extras.  16:9 and Italian mono sound.  Strange thing is that the Variety Film logo is silent and the music starts in a little abruptly.  I was wondering if this was a problem with the elements for the DVD as the English version begins with the start of the song on the first shot.  On the other hand the song also ends abruptly on Trintignant firing his shotgun.  The Italian track however seems to have started abruptly so that the director's credit coincides with the last lyrics of the song.

I'll post some screencaps later.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 24 Apr 2008 - 23:20
(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3078/cosi01wf0.th.jpg) (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cosi01wf0.jpg)
(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1076/cosi02nx3.th.jpg) (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cosi02nx3.jpg)
(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1436/cosi03zl8.th.jpg) (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cosi03zl8.jpg)
(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/9047/cosi04qb8.th.jpg) (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cosi04qb8.jpg)
(http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9327/cosi05le7.th.jpg) (http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cosi05le7.jpg)
(http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6986/cosi06zk5.th.jpg) (http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cosi06zk5.jpg)
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 25 Apr 2008 - 11:17
Thanks for the grabs ecc. Doesn't look too bad at all. I've got the DVD on order and hopefully will have in a week or so.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: Mart85 on 25 Apr 2008 - 12:09
Just got the disc today.  Just the "play movie" and "scene selections" as extras.  16:9 and Italian mono sound.  Strange thing is that the Variety Film logo is silent and the music starts in a little abruptly.  I was wondering if this was a problem with the elements for the DVD as the English version begins with the start of the song on the first shot.  On the other hand the song also ends abruptly on Trintignant firing his shotgun.  The Italian track however seems to have started abruptly so that the director's credit coincides with the last lyrics of the song.


Just a guess but the transfer on the DVD might be missing frames.  Be a bugger if there are missing frames from the start and end of every shot.  My mate that did the GARRINGO fandub had to deal with this.  It's doable but it takes a lot of time.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 27 Apr 2008 - 09:01
In PAL, the Italian disc runs almost 2 minutes longer than the PAL sourced Greek subtitled English language audio source.  That may be a result of print damage on the English source (Greek tapes usually come from actual prints rather than masters meant for video) or there might be extra footage (probably tops and tails of scenes) in the Italian version (the previous Italian fullscreen disc I had had English credits).
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 27 Apr 2008 - 09:04
So what's your plan Eric? You going to use the DVD audio for the majority of the dub and just drop in the dialogue when needed?
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 27 Apr 2008 - 09:30
I'm using the English audio for the bulk of the audio and dropping the Italian audio in where needed.  I made a wav file of the title song from an .mp3 which sounds quite good (the .mp3 was encoded at 320 kbps or whatever) and used it in place of the title song on both tracks and by starting it on the logo, the song ends at the right place with Lenzi's director's credit (it also has some nice stereo separation).  I have both audio tracks on the timeline so if there is a non-dialogue scene that sounds better on the Italian track then I'll use that which is easy since the Italian track is already in sync with the video.  And, of course, when I've exported the audio, I'll normalize it and see how much if any noise reduction can be applied (with Audacity's plugin, a little goes a long way).

I think this project will much easier than previous project I did where the widescreen image I was working from was riddled with print damage and missing frames at the reel changes.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 27 Apr 2008 - 09:52
Sounds great. First time I tried cleaning up an audio track (Poliziotto senza paura - Fearless Fuzz) I used Audacity and seemed to get really good results, nice bit of kit.

Look forward to the results of your project, I should have my dub of the German DVD of Dallamano's 'Dorian Gray' done soon so I'll trade you if you like.  :'(
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: Luca Canali on 27 Apr 2008 - 09:53
Superb work ECC, keep us posted mate. I for one would be very interested to see your final result.
Would also be willing to trade for one of my fan subs? :D
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 27 Apr 2008 - 10:14
Yes I would be willing to trade when its finished.  In the first five minutes, I've had to split the track a couple times but its just by milliseconds so it looks like a lot of the difference in running time will be shots that go on a little longer at the start or end.  I'll keep you all posted on my progress.  The only extra I can think to include is the English title sequence.  I haven't come across a trailer for this or any of the other Baker/Lenzi films except for KNIFE OF ICE (I guess that could be a related extra).

When you're trying to sync up tracks, you start to notice things like how lame some sound effects are.  On the English track for those of you who have the Greek subbed release, listen to Trintignant's footsteps as he approaches Carroll Baker's apartment after finding the piece of jewelry in the lift.  It sounds like a sound effects artist tapping one shoe against a block of wood.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: Johan Melle on 28 Apr 2008 - 22:45
This sounds very promising! I love this film! Even in the fullscreen Greek version I find it very impressive. Just recently got a French publicity brochure for the film on eBay too.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 29 Apr 2008 - 12:35
I'm 36 minutes into the fandubbing and have made so many little adjustments to the sync (in milliseconds).  I'm gonna try to do a full half-hour of it tonight.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 30 Apr 2008 - 23:04
The scenes with Carroll Baker are easiest to sync up since she dubs herself and seems to stick to her line readings.  The other actors are performing in English but dubbed by others (the voice actress for Erika Blanc sounds very familiar).
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 03 May 2008 - 11:33
For the first 80 minutes, I had to advance the English track and fill it in with the Italian track because shot ran longer in the Italian version.  The reverse is true in the last 10 minutes where the English scenes a tad longer.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 03 May 2008 - 11:40
Thanks for the progress report!  ::)
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 03 May 2008 - 12:37
Finished.  There is only one instance of extended dialogue in the Italian version in the final scene.  There are no optional subs on the disc so I can't translate all of it but I don't think its crucial.  The very last line which follows it is dubbed and is likely the more important piece of dialogue.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 03 May 2008 - 13:17
Great please let me know if you wanna trade. My fan releases are listed here:

http://www.lovelockandload.net/forum/index.php?topic=1182.msg19610#msg19610
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 08 May 2008 - 11:11
Inspired by Oli's posting of his ANIMA PERSA menu, I thought I'd do the same with my menu for SO SWEET SO PERVERSE.  The bad interlacing artifacts on the video are because its an flv conversion of a low resolution AVI made from the mpeg which looks far smoother with your players deinterlacer on:*

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/5685/flvvideouc5.flv (http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/5685/flvvideouc5.flv)

*reencoded with deinterlacing
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 08 May 2008 - 11:19
Looks great! I'm going to have to read through my manual and figure out how to do these animated menus....
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 08 May 2008 - 11:40
That one was done on the cheap (Extremely so).  I opened the .m2v file in Virtual Dub as an .avs synth script, scanned through it for little bits and pieces I wanted, selected them, encoded them as video-only DIVX files, opened them all up in Windows Movie Maker, put the wav music file on the timeline and started dropping the clips in and then trimming them until they fit the length of the music file, then I encoded it as a DV-AVI file (Windows Movie Maker does DV-AVI and WMV movie files only), opened the AVI in VirtualDub, saved the WAV file (since its hard to cut the video in WMM exactly to the millisecond of the audio file), encoded that as a 192 kbps ac3 file in AftenGUI with the surround flag enabled, created an .avs file for the avi file, encoded it as an m2v in my trusty free MPEG2 encoder HCEncGUI in 4:3 mode since the free DVD Authoring program I use (DVDAuthorGUI) does not handle 16:9 menus well (they work fine on widescreen sets and computers but the cursors are mis-aligned on 4:3 TVs no matter how you edit the file flag for the menu).  Then I mux the ac3 and m2v together in the DVD authoring program along with the film and the video transitions I added when you press the "play feature" and "scene selection" (I just instructed DVDAuthorGUI to play those titlesets and adjusted the post navigation commands to go to the feature for the first option and to go to the scene menu for the second option).
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: Jonny on 08 May 2008 - 11:49
I'm going to have look at the tutorial Olli linked to as regards using DVDlab Pro and if I can't work that out I'll try your way ecc as I have access to all the software you mentioned.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 08 May 2008 - 12:09
It might seem like an insanely round about way of doing things but I actually find it therapeutic.

Other great tools are:
AftenGUI (great ac3 encoder that isn't as busy looking as BeLight)
Audacity (noise removal and normalization - there is a download on their site with about 90 more plugins that you can add to the newest version)
AviSynth (creates scripts to input into encoder with instructions for cropping, resizing, deinterlacing, framerate change, and tons of other filters)
BeLight (GUI for BeSweet - I use it to convert the ac3 files to WAV, and to change the audio framerate)
DGIndex - for demuxing and creating d2v project files
DVDAuthorGUI (free DVD Authoring program - places everything in one titleset - i.e. VTS_01_# - so all video has to be the same aspect ratio but the menu editor is great that can take - but not create - motion m2v menu backgrounds, it has an m2v still creator, the authoring fast, advanced menu options, editing of nav commands including jump commands so when a video extra finishes it can go back to the extras menu rather than to the main menu, etc)
HCEnc (fast MPEG2 encoder even at Best Quality setting - very customizable)
IFOEdit (changing file flags - "automatic letterbox" since DVDAuthorGUI flags the DVDs during authoring with the 16:9 Wide AND Automatic Pan-Scan - language and subtitle tags since I always forget to add these during authoring, etc)
Kristal Audio Engine (free multi-track sound editor with a lot of plugins)
Subtitle Workshop - for creating and timing subtitles - on some systems the scanning is erratic with mpeg video so I create a low res avi with lots of I-frames
VideoCalc (bitrate calculator)
VirtualDub* MPEG-2 (any Virtualdub can open an .avs file but VirtualDub MPEG-2 allows you to open the m2v file directly so you can see the I-frames when selecting chapter timings - DVDAuthorGUI's video preview for chaptering is very slow on my computer)
*I also open the avs files in VirtualDub to scan through for video clips.
VSRip - ripping subtitles from VOB

www.videohelp.com (http://www.videohelp.com) is a great source of free tools and has a very informative forum.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: demented_uk on 09 May 2008 - 11:07
Nice work Eric. but that does seem to be a very long winded process.  DVD Lab and Ulead Video Studio is all you need to quickly create effective motion menus.  Then again, after the time it takes to do these fan dubs something therapeutic is always welcome.  ;D
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: Stephen Grimes on 15 Jul 2008 - 09:39
Checked out the fandub last night and another top job from Eric,not a bad little film-though not as good as KNIFE OF ICE or PARANOIA imo.Can't forget Beryl Cunningham from THE BLACK DECAMERON totally hamming it up as the stripper -
"1 part of dry gin,2 parts of brandy"
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ecc on 15 Jul 2008 - 10:07
Checked out the fandub last night and another top job from Eric,not a bad little film though not as good as KNIFE OF ICE or PARANOIA imo.Can't forget Beryl Cunningham from THE BLACK DECAMERON totally hamming it up as the stripper though -
"1 part of dry gin,2 parts of brandy"


Love that scene.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 04 Mar 2009 - 07:26
Coming from Johnny Legend's shady outfit Midnight Choir on June 30... wanna bet that it's a dupe of the fan release which is floating around..

Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: fdsmedia on 23 Mar 2009 - 07:33
The Midnight Choir titles have disappeared from Ryko's website so hopefully Ryko have realised that Midnight Choir are bootleggers.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: gnorthcott on 16 Jul 2011 - 18:41
Would anybody be kind enough to make me a copy of the fandub of this title,or alternatively any subs so i can get the dvd myself.Id rather give somebody on here a few quid for doing it than paying it to somebody like zdd.Im quite happy to trade if i have anything anyones interested in

EDIT- somebody helped me get one(thanks martin),but thanks for all the offers and help(sarcasm ;D)
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ulke666 on 04 Oct 2011 - 07:50
I've searched for this movie for years. Can someone please sell me a copy of the fandub? Many thanks.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: giallohunter on 07 Oct 2011 - 13:25
I've searched for this movie for years. Can someone please sell me a copy of the fandub? Many thanks.

I have the Greek VHS which is in English with Greek subs. Can make an DVD-R from the tape if you don't find the fandub copy.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: ulke666 on 10 Oct 2011 - 06:41
Thanks a lot for your answer. I think i managed to get a copy already.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: aerodynamics on 19 Nov 2012 - 17:44
I feel like I'm a bit late to the party, but I finally caught up to this movie over the weekend.  I wanted to let those responsible for the English language fandub know that the work is still being enjoyed all these years later.   Over the recent past I've come to appreciate the late-60s giallos with their greater emphasis on psychological thrills rather than the stalk and slash that the genre is usually noted for.  The combination of Umberto Lenzi + Carroll Baker + Ernesto Gastaldi is a knockout and the movie really satisfies with a continual onslaught of plot twists and turns.  I invited a giallo-loving friend over and cracked open a fresh bottle of Justerini & Brooks and had a wonderful viewing experience.  The audio had a bit of a sped up sound, but I'm assuming that has to do with the PAL/NTSC differences.

Altogether a great presentation though.  I recently purchased an all-region capable DVD player (after resisting for years) and this is going to let me finally see so many of the giallo films that have eluded my grasp for so long.
Title: Re: Cosi Dolce... Cosi Perversa / So Sweet... So Perverse (Umberto Lenzi, 1969)
Post by: Strigoyu on 19 Nov 2012 - 18:10
The Italian dub on the Aegida DVD release seems a new one... I mean, I think it's not the original Italian theatrical dub. Is there any Italian guy around here that could say something about this? Thanks in advance!