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Title: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 07 Jul 2007 - 11:42
DJANGO 1966  *SPOILERS AHEAD*

Franco Nero, Eduardo Fajardo

A coffin-toting stranger wanders into a mud-soaked derelict town where a gang of red-hooded cutthroats headed by Major Jackson holds dominion over the town as well as conducting a private war with a Mexican bandit gang. Django temporarily sides with the Mexicans to rob a fort of its gold only to steal the entire booty for himself after they procrastinate about diviing up the money. Django is caught by the gang and is punished in a torturous fashion and left for dead for the Major. Jackson deals with the bandits in an ambush just before meeting the now maimed Django in a cemetery for a climactic showdown.

A massive hit in Europe, this film showcased a different kind of hero. One that was conniving and deceptive and not above being mutilated in some way. Django is a coffin toting mystery man who is after a nasty, racist named Major Jackson played with appropriate villainy by Eduardo Fajardo. In between his vendetta, Django helps a Mexican bandit gang rob a fort of its gold consignment. Before the gang can double cross him, Django attempts to do the same to them leading to a cruel scene where the gang renders Django nearly incapable of handling a gun shortly before he is to meet up with his nemesis, Major Jackson. When submitted to the BBFC, the level of violence made the film unreleasable. It also failed to snag US distribution.

In Europe however, the film got some 50 sequels most in name only, detailing Django’s adventures played by different actors each interpreting the character differently. The film made big stars out of Franco Nero and director Sergio Corbucci who was able to secure 1 million budgets for his films after DJANGO’s success. Several others behind the scenes would go on to fruitful careers as well. Assistant director Ruggero Deodato and cinematographer Enzo Barboni would both go on to hugely successful directorial careers. Luis Bacalov contributes a great score.

There are hints to Django's past and what has led to him being in his current predicament. You learn that he had a wife and that Major Jackson has more of a role in Django's past than is at first revealed. The English version of DJANGO is simply one of the worst dubbing jobs I've ever seen. The "actor" dubbing Nero is awful and sounds like he is about to fall asleep at any moment. Unlike other genres of foreign films, I prefer to view the Italian westerns in dubbed form since the stories deal with a time in American history but this film is one exception. Here, the original Italian is far better.

In the Italian version, the gang headed by Jackson are alluded to be a precursor to the Ku Klux Klan. In the inferior dubbed version, this story arc is eliminated. Also changed drastically in the English dubbed version is the wonderful dialog exchange during the cemetery showdown at the end. Here, the dialog is rather slapdash and lazy while in the original audio track it's a more satisfying finish.

Director Sergio Corbucci was a master at directing action films and his were more violent and shocking than the average Italo oater. His GREAT SILENCE is one of the most downbeat and depressing cinematic experiences I've ever seen. In all of the films I've seen of his, regardless of the tone, there is usually always a sequence of gruesome violence to remind you that you are watching a Corbucci movie. Such as the scene with the bandits and one of their captives. The leader cuts the man's ear off and makes him eat it before shooting him in the back. The scene isn't that shocking now but imagine seeing it back in '66. Although someone I know who is a fan of the more tame American westerns did see DJANGO and shortly after the ear scene replied, "What kind of western is this?"

Another bit of savagery occurs late in the film as Django has his hands maimed by having horses trample them underfoot. A similar scene appears in Cheng Chang Ho's seminal Shaw Brothers hit, KING BOXER (1972), the first kung fu film to start the craze in America during the 70s. In the film, Lo Lieh has his hands mutilated by a rival school to keep him from participating in a tournament. They tie his arms around a tree and repeatedly smash his hands with logs. The scene is just as brutal and maybe a bit more given that the camera lingers a bit longer on the torture.

Another homage can be seen in the "David Lean" of Hong Kong, Sun Chung's classic Shaw Brothers film, THE DEADLY BREAKING SWORD (1979). Here, Ti Lung plays an arrogant swordsman who, just before meeting his opponents in duels, drags a coffin(s) to the locale so that they may be buried in it after they fall to his special blade.

Nero only played the Django character one other time in 1987's DJANGO STRIKES AGAIN. He was supposed to appear in the follow-up, DJANGO, GET A COFFIN READY (1968) as he was in a 3 picture deal which included TEXAS, ADIOS (1966), DJANGO and the above mentioned 1968 sequel. Nero walked after an argument with the producer and up and coming western star Terence Hill took the spot. The film detailed what happened to Django and his wife. Bits that are only hinted at in the original.

A sort-of remake from Japan is coming to theaters entitled SUKIYAKI WESTERN-DJANGO (2007) from Sony. Directed by Takashi Miike(!), Italian westerns are very popular in Japan and this new film even sports a faithful rendition in English of the original theme song. The film itself is also spoken in English I believe.

The original DJANGO is a landmark in Italian western...no, make that western cinema period.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: The Hunchback on 07 Jul 2007 - 11:56
This was the first non-Leone spaghetti western I ever saw.


To this day it is still my favorite.

I didn't get into the internet until about a year after I saw this flick. When I went on spag chat forums I was expecting this to be well talked about and recieved but to my horror it was panned by many.
I can't understand why? It has all the ingredients one can need to make a spaghetti western.
Sure the second act is a bit slow paced and the whole mexican revolution stuff isn't very interesting but the first half hour and the final 15 minutes just oozes class.
I believe Django has the best ending cinema has ever seen.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: Paul on 07 Jul 2007 - 14:07
I can't understand why anyone would diss DJANGO - it's definitely a classic of the sub genre. My only criticism is that it was made before Franco Nero learned to speak English, thus he never recored an English dub - his voice is so distinctive and a contributing factor to why I dig his films so much.

To hear that a lot of people would slag DJANGO off is really sad. Maybe it's nothing more than elitist behaviour on their part, as DJANGO is probably the most famous spaghetti bar the aforemention Leone films. Some folk like nothing more than to diss popular flicks and rant and rave about the gems that remained undiscovered until they "found" them.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: LANZETTA on 07 Jul 2007 - 14:26
We have so many elitist Leonephiles on the other forum i belong to, that will just not accept that there are other Italian directors who managed to emulate the excitement of SL's Dollar trilogy.

I think DJANGO wasn't shown on UK television until the early 1980's same for GREAT SILENCE,and i remember before then there were plentiful sw seasons showing stuff like SABATA,COMPANEROS,THE MERCENARY,TRINITY,DEATH RIDES A HORSE.If only i'd had a VCR then... 
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: Paul on 07 Jul 2007 - 14:36
We have so many elitist Leonephiles on the other forum i belong to, that will just not accept that there are other Italian directors who managed to emulate the excitement of SL's Dollar trilogy.


Yeah, those kind of people are all over the net, sadly. Leone's films a remarvelous, but spaghetti westerns ave so much more to offer that just the work of one director. Imagine if someone dismissed the gialli of every filmmaker bar Mario Bava - it would be just as ridiculous. DJANGO has earned its place in history, probably due to the fact it was so very violent for the time, so it's still an very important entry in the genre.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: LANZETTA on 07 Jul 2007 - 14:46
Well arguably its better than A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS.



Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: Paul on 07 Jul 2007 - 14:58
Well arguably its better than A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS.


There's n doubt in my mind that DJANGO is better than A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS. I also prefer GREAT SILENCE and COMPANEROS to FISTFUL.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: LANZETTA on 07 Jul 2007 - 14:59
Have you seen THE MERCENARY which i prefer to COMPANEROS?
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: Paul on 07 Jul 2007 - 15:05
I've seen MERCENARY - think it's great but althuogh it's almost a remake, I actually prefer COMPANEROS - mostly due to the Nero/Milian pairing and that terrific Morricone score.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: LANZETTA on 07 Jul 2007 - 15:43
I think that THE MERCENARY is Corbucci's equivalent to THE GOOD,THE BAD AND THE UGLY and shares that same sense of epicness.Its doesn't get bogged down at all in the waffling that occurs in COMPANEROS and is a much more stunning looking picture,some of the panoramic views are wonderful.

I agree however that Milian is preferable to Musante,and maybe the Morricone score though limited in COMPANEROS is so catchy that it has the edge over its predesessor.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: Paul on 07 Jul 2007 - 15:56
I think that THE MERCENARY is Corbucci's equivalent to THE GOOD,THE BAD AND THE UGLY and shares that same sense of epicness.Its doesn't get bogged down at all in the waffling that occurs in COMPANEROS and is a much more stunning looking picture,some of the panoramic views are wonderful.

I agree however that Milian is preferable to Musante,and maybe the Morricone score though limited in COMPANEROS is so catchy that it has the edge over its predesessor.

I agree that THE MERCENARY is a better * film * though COMPANEROS just seems a lot more enjoyable, one that I feel can be watched a lot more.
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Post by: Chad on 07 Jul 2007 - 17:08
DJANGO is not only one of my favorite spaghetti westerns, it's on my top 10 favorite films of all-time list. It has one of the most wonderfully catchy theme songs ever as well. I came to the film in a very roundabout way though, I heard the Upsetters song "Return of Django" and it intrigued me enough to read up on the film the song title referenced before seeing THE HARDER THEY COME and small clips of it contained in that film, finally I saw DJANGO 4 or 5 years after first reading about it and it was everything I'd hoped it would be.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: The Hunchback on 07 Jul 2007 - 20:47


I think DJANGO wasn't shown on UK television until the early 1980's same for GREAT SILENCE,and i remember before then there were plentiful sw seasons showing stuff like SABATA,COMPANEROS,THE MERCENARY,TRINITY,DEATH RIDES A HORSE.If only i'd had a VCR then... 


It was banned in England (not sure about the whole UK) until the early 90's.
You have Alex Cox to thank for getting it shown.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: LANZETTA on 07 Jul 2007 - 22:37


I think DJANGO wasn't shown on UK television until the early 1980's same for GREAT SILENCE,and i remember before then there were plentiful sw seasons showing stuff like SABATA,COMPANEROS,THE MERCENARY,TRINITY,DEATH RIDES A HORSE.If only i'd had a VCR then... 


It was banned in England (not sure about the whole UK) until the early 90's.
You have Alex Cox to thank for getting it shown.
But i think it was only 20 years in England because i'm sure i saw it round about my school leaving age in the mid 1980's. :-\

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Post by: Paul on 08 Jul 2007 - 10:22
Did you see it on TV or on video, mate? It was released on (pre-cert) VHS by Inter-Ocean, but don't forget, many of the films that had been banned prior ro tha advent of video, were released on home entertainment formats by companies that either didn't know of a particular title's history, or simply didn't care.












Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: LANZETTA on 08 Jul 2007 - 14:10
I originally saw it on TV .I'm not quite 100% certain about the 1980's and it could've been Alex Cox who introduced it(i do remember however Cox's intro did for GREAT SILENCE as part of his BBC Moviedrome series).
I wasn't aware of the pre-cert vhs and i didn't manage to catch DJANGO again until the AKTIV Spaghetti Western series of videos came out in the late 1990's.
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Post by: Paul on 09 Jul 2007 - 09:32
I originally saw it on TV .I'm not quite 100% certain about the 1980's and it could've been Alex Cox who introduced it(i do remember however Cox's intro did for GREAT SILENCE as part of his BBC Moviedrome series).
I wasn't aware of the pre-cert vhs and i didn't manage to catch DJANGO again until the AKTIV Spaghetti Western series of videos came out in the late 1990's.

I'm pretty sure Alex Cox showed DJANGO as part of his Moviedrome series...

Defo released on UK Pre-cert, but like Isaid many of the fly-by-night pre-cert labels didn't care if films were banned or cut, they just put them out to make a fast buck.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: The Hunchback on 01 Aug 2007 - 02:07
Well arguably its better than A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS.


There's n doubt in my mind that DJANGO is better than A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS. I also prefer GREAT SILENCE and COMPANEROS to FISTFUL.


I prefer a lot more than what you mentioned to FISTFUL.

But try telling the "Leone only" people. :-[
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: Paul on 01 Aug 2007 - 10:25
It's ridiculous, isn't it? Leone was the first, therefore is the best. Granted, I prefer THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY and ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST to any other spaghetti, but that's my opinion and I would criticise anyone else for thinking otherwise. That said, there are a few Corbucci westerns that I enjoy more than the first two DOLLARS films.
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Post by: tigerheart76 on 11 Aug 2007 - 17:46

I'm pretty sure Alex Cox showed DJANGO as part of his Moviedrome series...


Yes - that would've been about 1993 or 1994, after it got its official cert - I vividly remember staying up to watch it and being blown away (excuse the pun...) - it was so unlike any of the westerns I'd seen at home before then (my dad is a westerns/Eastwood fan). Cox does quite an interesting chat to camera about the film on the Argent DVD release from 3 years ago, and the interview with Franco Nero is fun.

Have to agree with the comment about the English dub for Nero - it's a disappointment when the rest of the actors seem to have ended up with at least (IMO) half decent dubs. Trying to lay my hands on a copy of the Blue Underground disc with the original Italian track at the moment...
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 12 Aug 2007 - 23:18
It's apparently been re-released by BU. Here it is for $12...

http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/django-p-4611.html
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: zombiefan3999 on 29 Sep 2007 - 01:59
Ill probably get bashed for this but i actually like it better then all the Leone westerns. Dont get me wrong I love all of Leones westerns but Django just had something about it I love. I have the blue underground release and its definatly got the best picture and sound options avalible.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci,1966)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 29 Sep 2007 - 04:27
Ill probably get bashed for this but i actually like it better then all the Leone westerns. Dont get me wrong I love all of Leones westerns but Django just had something about it I love. I have the blue underground release and its definatly got the best picture and sound options avalible.

I'm there with you on this one as I like Leone's movies, but I think he's overrated.
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Post by: Paul on 29 Sep 2007 - 13:10
I love DJANGO and I love most of the Corbucci spaghettis COMPANEROS being my favourite), but I don't think there's any SW better than THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY and ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST - I know that they're the two mostly widely-known films with in the genre and are popular among non-fans but they're well known for a reason. Just my opinion, of course...
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Post by: zombiefan3999 on 29 Sep 2007 - 18:30
After watching the dollars trilogy and Django. Id say I have to alter what i said before and say that Django is a tie with The Good,The Bad, And The Ugly. As for Once upon a time in the west. I think Django is far better. Also I dont think Id consider Leone over rated. Definatly the best spaghetti western director in my opinion. Corbucci would be a close second.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 29 Sep 2007 - 19:21
I think he's overrated in that the man was uncomfortable handling action scenes and had to leave these to other directors like Margheriti, Giancarlo Santi and de Martino. The scenes with his protagonists and antagonists standing about for what seems like an eternity before a duel would be nothing without Morricone's music accompanying them. Don't misunderstand, I like his movies and ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST is one of my favorite films of all time, but SSOOOOO much praise and near Godhood is heaped on the man as if he was the be all and end all of SWs. He was a great director but he wasn't the ONLY great director of SWs and he certainly was not without faults as none of the others were either.

Even though he directed only 7 movies, none of them were really different from the others. He never showed versatility as Corbucci did but then, he took so long to do one film, and maybe he never cared to stray from his "formula". Plus his attitude concerning MY NAME IS NOBODY put me off to him a bit as well.

The one thing I will say about his films that I can't really say for the others, is that you wouldn't necessarily have to know what the characters were saying in his movies. They're like pictures that tell the story without words. Even though the duel scenes would have little to no impact without Morricone's superb music, the scenes tell you all you need to know.
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Post by: zombiefan3999 on 29 Sep 2007 - 19:41
Great post my friend and I must say I do understand your point.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 29 Sep 2007 - 19:46
Hey zombiefan3999, how many of Corbucci's movies have you seen? I have some more of his spaghetti westerns lying around that I haven't seen yet like SONNY & JED and WHAT AM I DOING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE REVOLUTION and THE SPECIALIST. Can't wait for his fusto film GOLIATH AGAINST THE VAMPIRES to come out! Wild East is supposed to be putting this out soon.
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Post by: zombiefan3999 on 29 Sep 2007 - 19:50
Not many, Companeros,Django,and the hellbenders. Ill definatly have to check more out soon.
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 29 Sep 2007 - 19:53
That's definitely three good ones. You should check out THE GREAT SILENCE if you wanna see another great movie that give Leone a run for his money, IMO. Words cannot describe the bleak atmosphere of GREAT SILENCE, and another hauntingly superb score from Morricone.
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Post by: zombiefan3999 on 29 Sep 2007 - 20:00
I need to get around to buying more spaghetti westerns. Im on a nazploitation kick now. Just ordered all the exploitation digital S.S movies. That to go along with all the gialli I just bought as well. Spaghetties are next. Still need to check out some police and crime movies. Meaning Merli movies.
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Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 29 Sep 2007 - 20:01
You can't go wrong with Merli. It's a shame he only did one SW.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: zombiefan3999 on 29 Sep 2007 - 20:04
Im thinking i saw him in Mannaja a man called blade correct. I still need to finish that film.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci/1966)
Post by: IL COMMISSARIO on 29 Sep 2007 - 20:09
Yeah, that was him. I wasn't all that thrilled with the movie but it had some good moments. The ending was a bit anti-climatic for me. It had a nice gothic horror type atmosphere similar to GREAT SILENCE (1968).
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 30 Sep 2007 - 11:49
Still need to check out some police and crime movies. Meaning Merli movies.
Merli is the fucking Don!
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Post by: The Hunchback on 02 Oct 2007 - 21:54
Mannaja a man called blade


The movie has a good opening and some good action scenes sprinkled throughout (a good fist fight in the mud as well) but when the love story kicks in it slows things down.

It doesn't really pick up until the final 25 minutes.
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Post by: paperbag on 04 Oct 2007 - 05:54
Mannaja felt like a masterpiece when I watched it in Italian.. much better than the english dub, loved every second of it.
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Post by: zombiefan3999 on 04 Oct 2007 - 14:42
Ill have to watch this the whole way through.
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Post by: Jonny on 07 Mar 2009 - 15:05
Anyone fancy this on DVD in a coffin box?

Django - Bara Box (http://www.videociak.net/customer/product.php?productid=22119)
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Post by: ecc on 07 Mar 2009 - 20:43
I've only seen this one in Italian with subtitles.  I didn't catch up with it until BU's improved transfer (the Anchor Bay disc was sourced from an incomplete American print, wasn't it?) and I started watching it with the English track but I couldn't bear it so I switched to the Italian with subs and restarted it.
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Post by: gialloshots on 07 Nov 2009 - 04:05
I just watched this for the first time tonight and was blown away!   Just incredible.  I had read that, possibly, Django was named after Django Reinhardt who was known for being an amazing guitarist despite only having full use of two fingers on his left hand.  This is interesting given the mutilation that Django endures in the movie.  I think there are some undiscussed aspects to spaghetti westerns involving disabilities such as this film, the mute in The Great Silence, and Mannaja overcoming blindness.  Maybe it's just because of my own disabilities but I think this is an important theme; overcoming one's physical problems to prevail in the end.
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Post by: Silence on 07 Nov 2009 - 14:01
Yeah, I love this one too.
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 29 Jan 2010 - 17:20
Blu-ray coming in May from blue-underground

(http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/spara73/django-4.jpg)
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Post by: Kevin Coed on 29 Jan 2010 - 17:28
When I bought a Blu-ray player I swore that I wouldn't double-dip on stuff I already had on DVD....

VAMPYRES, CITY OF THE LIVING DEAD, DJANGO, SUSPIRIA.....   For fucks sake!!!!
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 29 Jan 2010 - 17:38
When I bought a Blu-ray player I swore that I wouldn't double-dip on stuff I already had on DVD....

VAMPYRES, CITY OF THE LIVING DEAD, DJANGO, SUSPIRIA.....   For fucks sake!!!!
I agree but certain with certain things you love it just has to be done  :D
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Post by: Paul on 29 Jan 2010 - 18:21
When I bought a Blu-ray player I swore that I wouldn't double-dip on stuff I already had on DVD....

VAMPYRES, CITY OF THE LIVING DEAD, DJANGO, SUSPIRIA.....   For fucks sake!!!!

SUSPIRIA was a must. If a transfer far surpasses that of the DVD or there's some nice extras then it's worth the double-dip, IMO. Obviously, if you can pick the BD up cheap then it's a no brainer.

I've not bought many of the BU Blu-rays, actually. I think I've got just STENDHAL SYNDROME and NEW YORK RIPPER.
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Post by: Michael Blanton on 29 Jan 2010 - 18:32
When I bought a Blu-ray player I swore that I wouldn't double-dip on stuff I already had on DVD....

VAMPYRES, CITY OF THE LIVING DEAD, DJANGO, SUSPIRIA.....   For fucks sake!!!!
I agree but certain with certain things you love it just has to be done  :D

I've been buying all the Blue Underground Blu-rays and selling the DVDs online.  :-\
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Post by: hawksmoor on 26 Feb 2010 - 11:28
Hi there fellas. It's my first post on here and I'm happy to be here, being a huge Spaghetti Western, Giallo and Italo crime movie fan. But back to Django (a film I love and have watched repeatedly, by the way). I saw it at the cinema (the Scala, Kings Cross in London) at what I believe was billed as its first UK cinematic screening. I'd already seen it at this point on, I think, the second series of Moviedrome, but it was still great to see it on the big screen.
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Post by: Silence on 26 Feb 2010 - 12:35
Welcome to the forum!
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Post by: Jonny on 18 May 2010 - 20:35
Review of the Blu-ray is up at DVD Beaver with some sweeeeet screen grabs. Looks amazing!

DVD Beaver - Django Blu-ray review (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare/django.htm)
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 18 May 2010 - 23:58
Review of the Blu-ray is up at DVD Beaver with some sweeeeet screen grabs. Looks amazing!

DVD Beaver - Django Blu-ray review (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare/django.htm)
Looking goooood!
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Post by: Kevin Coed on 19 May 2010 - 05:09
Those grabs look absolutely lovely! ::)
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Post by: demented_uk on 19 May 2010 - 08:48
£14.99 over at MovieTyme. 

http://www.movietyme.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=48324 (http://www.movietyme.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=48324)
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Post by: Kevin Coed on 19 May 2010 - 15:02
Just sold my Blue Underground 2-discer for £16 - Blu-Ray ordered.   :-\
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Post by: Graham on 27 May 2010 - 23:14
Just a word of warning to those who aren't region free as this disc appears to be BU's first Region A. At least, that's what it says on the back of the box; I haven't had the chance to check it out yet.
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Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 27 May 2010 - 23:21
Just a word of warning to those who aren't region free as this disc appears to be BU's first Region A. At least, that's what it says on the back of the box; I haven't had the chance to check it out yet.
Apparently it is region locked.

People who have been selling U.S. dvd's on U.K. Amazon have had them removed by Argent.
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Post by: Graham on 28 May 2010 - 08:32
People who have been selling U.S. dvd's on U.K. Amazon have had them removed by Argent.

That's outrageous. On what grounds?
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 28 May 2010 - 08:53
People who have been selling U.S. dvd's on U.K. Amazon have had them removed by Argent.

That's outrageous. On what grounds?
Something to do because they own the U.K. rights or something, it's mentioned at cult labs.

If that's the case Amazon shouldn't have the option of selling it on there should they.
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Post by: Kevin Coed on 28 May 2010 - 14:45
Received mine today.  ::)
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Post by: Kevin Coed on 28 May 2010 - 17:36
Confirmed as Region A.
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Post by: Kevin Coed on 29 May 2010 - 06:36
Watched the Blu-Ray last night - it looks absolutely gorgeous, parts of it look almost 3D.
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Post by: Sundance on 29 May 2010 - 18:29
Am I the only one who thinks some of the BU Blu-Rays have a bit too digital looking grain in them? :-*

Django for example. I have no doubt it will look gorgeous even to me once I get the disc (and I am buying it as soon as I get money), but the screenshots (regardless of the site that have posted them) have this a bit too digital look to them... almost like artifacts from bad compression. Other discs, if my memory is correct, include the Stendhal Syndrome and the City of the Living Dead.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: demented_uk on 29 May 2010 - 18:37
One of the most impressive Blu-Ray discs I have seen for an older film, parts of it do indeed look 3-D like.  This is a must-own if you have a Blu-Ray player.  As for the grain, this is present in the original negative so it is a faithful transfer.  Digital remastering techniques that remove grain can make the image soft, less detailed and quite waxy looking.  Just look at some of the recent MGM releases of the Leone westerns.


Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Sundance on 29 May 2010 - 18:40
Yeah, I am not a grain hater, in fact I love it. With a lot of BU titles it (the grain) just looks more digital than with Blu-Rays from some other companies (like the Leone westerns from Italian companies, although at least FAFDM does seem to suffer from filtering...). But I don't know, maybe it looks exactly the way it is supposed to... :-*
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Sundance on 02 Jun 2010 - 19:09
Something more regarding the grain... some people seem to think it is fake, added afterwards (by accident or intentionally).

Some quotes from http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1160777&page=2 :

First they DNR'd the hell out of it, then they artificially shaprened it and last but noch least they ran it trough an encoder which left an atrocious amout of video noise. Yes, thats not grain you are seeing there, it's video noise. It's clearly visible cause the black dots are covering the EE halos. If it was grain, the grain would have been destroyed by the EE halos.

OK, I just talked to some people here in NYC who do this for a living and their opinion is that Django was DNR'd of grain, then given fake grain, added via computer. They even showed me the algorithm for grain that looked exactly the same.

They are obviously all just guessing, and I don't know what is going on either, but I think it doesn't look like normal grain.

I'm buying it anyways. ;D
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: demented_uk on 02 Jun 2010 - 19:20
Honestly, some people really do nitpick.  Who gives a shit?  It looks great to my eyes and is miles beyond the BU DVD.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Jonny on 02 Jun 2010 - 19:29
Honestly, some people really do nitpick.  Who gives a shit?  It looks great to my eyes and is miles beyond the BU DVD.

Do you think these people would be good company to watch a film with? I can just imagine them piping up about haloing and DNR whilst the film is playing...

I'd have to ask them to leave.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Sundance on 02 Jun 2010 - 19:53
Well if it was DNRd and DSRd, then sharpened and then received fake grain, the fact is that it could look much better than it does (and I'm not saying it doesn't look good now) probably without doing anything in the first place... If the format can offer better, it sucks we aren't getting that. And I don't think it is nitpicking to discuss if the grain is what is supposed to be there or is something added after they degraded the quality. >:(

First its important it is grain that belongs to the original negative, yet if it in fact is fake then it is just nitpicking to say so and who gives a shit?

Like I already said, I'm buying it, to me it looks much better than the DVD.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Mark (UK) on 02 Jun 2010 - 20:23
Confirmed as Region A.

It's a real shame that it's locked, this is one I'd definitely have imported. BU are the last company I would have expected that from, weren't all of their dvd's region free?
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 02 Jun 2010 - 20:24
This is honestly the best that I have ever seen this film look, and I've watched it many times on various different media (VHS, TV, DVD, Blu Ray). Fuck the naysayers.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 02 Jun 2010 - 20:25
Confirmed as Region A.

It's a real shame that it's locked, this is one I'd definitely have imported. BU are the last company I would have expected that from, weren't all of their dvd's region free?

It was probably a condition of the license.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Sundance on 02 Jun 2010 - 20:33
Maybe someone will release it in region B soon, didn't the DVDs come out pretty much everywhere once the BU disc came out?

I hope the BU disc sells well though, maybe they could bring out their other previously released SWs on Blu as well.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: demented_uk on 02 Jun 2010 - 20:57
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Well if it was DNRd and DSRd, then sharpened and then received fake grain, the fact is that it could look much better than it does (and I'm not saying it doesn't look good now) probably without doing anything in the first place... If the format can offer better, it sucks we aren't getting that. And I don't think it is nitpicking to discuss if the grain is what is supposed to be there or is something added after they degraded the quality. Angry

First its important it is grain that belongs to the original negative, yet if it in fact is fake then it is just nitpicking to say so and who gives a shit?

Like I already said, I'm buying it, to me it looks much better than the DVD.

Sundance, I was not directing my rant at you but mainly at the small subculture that devote so much time nitpicking about the picture quality of niche Blu-Ray and DVD releases.  Until someone gets confirmation from the person who created the transfer/remastered the film we will not know whether fake grain was added or not.  The mere fact that DJANGO has been released on Blu-Ray warrants applause.  Remember, the profit margins for such a release will be very slim and this is targeted at a niche audience.  I just find it disheartening to see people moan about the presentation when, as Jonny rightly intimated, it is the film that deserves our attention.

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It's a real shame that it's locked, this is one I'd definitely have imported. BU are the last company I would have expected that from, weren't all of their dvd's region free?

I believe that Argent owns the rights to the film in the UK, perhaps Arrow or Nouveaux might release it on region B Blu-Ray?

Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Mark (UK) on 02 Jun 2010 - 21:18
Arrow would be great, they've released some very nice discs lately.  ::)
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: ecc on 02 Jun 2010 - 21:27
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Well if it was DNRd and DSRd, then sharpened and then received fake grain, the fact is that it could look much better than it does (and I'm not saying it doesn't look good now) probably without doing anything in the first place... If the format can offer better, it sucks we aren't getting that. And I don't think it is nitpicking to discuss if the grain is what is supposed to be there or is something added after they degraded the quality. Angry

First its important it is grain that belongs to the original negative, yet if it in fact is fake then it is just nitpicking to say so and who gives a shit?

Like I already said, I'm buying it, to me it looks much better than the DVD.

Sundance, I was not directing my rant at you but mainly at the small subculture that devote so much time nitpicking about the picture quality of niche Blu-Ray and DVD releases.  Until someone gets confirmation from the person who created the transfer/remastered the film we will not know whether fake grain was added or not.  The mere fact that DJANGO has been released on Blu-Ray warrants applause.  Remember, the profit margins for such a release will be very slim and this is targeted at a niche audience.  I just find it disheartening to see people moan about the presentation when, as Jonny rightly intimated, it is the film that deserves our attention.

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It's a real shame that it's locked, this is one I'd definitely have imported. BU are the last company I would have expected that from, weren't all of their dvd's region free?

I believe that Argent owns the rights to the film in the UK, perhaps Arrow or Nouveaux might release it on region B Blu-Ray?



From the caps, I think it looks great.  I do seem to remember when I first got the SD edition that at least during the opening credits, the grain seemed rather static.  I can't find my copy right now, does anyone else have it that can check (Blue Underground's SD edition which I think was from the same source, not the Anchor Bay edition that came from an incomplete print).

I am happy that Blue Underground didn't do 7.1 remixes of the original track (it may be possible that they didn't have access to the separate dialogue and M&E tracks) and gave loseless encodes to both the Italian and English mono tracks (I think the original mono on some of their other releases has been non-HD Dolby Digital).
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Paul on 03 Jun 2010 - 11:09
Honestly, some people really do nitpick.  Who gives a shit?  It looks great to my eyes and is miles beyond the BU DVD.

Do you think these people would be good company to watch a film with? I can just imagine them piping up about haloing and DNR whilst the film is playing...

I'd have to ask them to leave.

 :-\ That made me laugh, and I agree with you completely.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Bogan The Wanderer on 03 Jun 2010 - 12:57
The DJANGO Blu caps look great to me.  I have no proof either way but personally, if I had to guess, I kind of doubt that Lustig deliberately took the grain out of the movie, then digitally dumped some fake grain back in afterwards.  It kind of defeats the point, Lustig visits enough forums to know various fans nitpick this sort of stuff to death, and he's always seemed concerned to do a good job with the transfers.  What do I know, this is just a guess, but I think some of these folk who scrutinize screenshots sometimes read too much into these things.  I know VIGILANTE is coming later this year, along with the Cassavetes Eurocrime flick.  I wonder what other Blus BU will pick out of their catalogue in the future?  Blu-Rays of the other key Fulci titles would seriously kick ass.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Paul on 03 Jun 2010 - 13:25
These over-zealous “critics” seem more pre-occupied in watching the print than actually enjoying the film. Obviously when you’re reviewing a disc you have to be honest about the transfer itself but these people take scrutiny to a whole new level. You only see this kind of pedantry online too – just goes to show how much time some people have on their hands, I guess. Still, I think there are a lot of online reviewers who would rather harp on about negatives than they would celebrate the good characteristics. It’s sad. I think it’s far easier to write a negative review than it is to write a positive review; hence I always push myself to really go all out to find something to praise. But that’s me…

As for the DJANGO Blu-ray, I’ve not seen it, nor have I bought it. I’m still using a region-locked PS3 for Blu-ray and must say, this is still one of the only titles that I would have bought had I been able to play it. I’ve been really impressed with the screen caps that I’ve seen around the net – they look superb.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: ecc on 04 Jun 2010 - 07:07
These over-zealous “critics” seem more pre-occupied in watching the print than actually enjoying the film. Obviously when you’re reviewing a disc you have to be honest about the transfer itself but these people take scrutiny to a whole new level. You only see this kind of pedantry online too – just goes to show how much time some people have on their hands, I guess. Still, I think there are a lot of online reviewers who would rather harp on about negatives than they would celebrate the good characteristics. It’s sad. I think it’s far easier to write a negative review than it is to write a positive review; hence I always push myself to really go all out to find something to praise. But that’s me…

It's tricky.  You are reviewing the DVD (or BluRay) which is the product however much you may like or dislike the film itself.  Then someone points you to some discussion link of over-zealous critics of your review of the presentation that point out everything you've supposedly missed.  Then some take offense if you say that the presentation isn't perfect but good for a film of this type (I'd love all films including Eurocult stuff to get 2K restorations but it ain't gonna happen... EVER!).  Then on the other side you get criticized for criticizing MYA's attempts to get "otherwise unavailable" stuff out into the market (by way of fandub-type composites of Italian videotapes - which might be cropped but "at least" they don't have foreign subs burnt-in so they can pass for original transfers if you're half-blind). 

I haven't seen the BU Blu in motion but I'm just fascinated (and at times annoyed) by what disc producers feel they need to do to these films to make these high definition presentations "look" high definition.  In the case of CITY OF THE LIVING DEAD, it looks like Arrow brightened it during encoding but does Blue Underground's look any more faithful to the original master or was there additional work done to their version too?
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Paul on 04 Jun 2010 - 08:52
…but your reviews are never too critical, Eric. I think you hit the perfect balance. I don’t think reviewers shouldn’t pick up on a disc’s shortcomings, I just don’t think they should dwell on them and twist the knife, as it were. There are certain people that make it their life’s mission to nitpick in order to build a reputation as some kind of oracle or “all seeing  eye”: those guys are pedantic to the point that I actually experience violent urges.  :-\
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: ecc on 04 Jun 2010 - 09:31
But there's still that nagging question when finishing a review of "was I critical enough?" (in the negative sense) lest one of the oracles hit upon something missed that turns out to be a big deal...
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: minesalager on 14 Jan 2012 - 21:03
As i am a novice to this genre i only just got round to watching this , all i can say is this film is stunning ! not just the story and the plot but the performances (nero is excellent) the sets, the vibrant colour, the look and the feel to the whole movie is superb plus the superb music score.

i can only hope that as i unearth more spaghetti westerns they are as good as this.  :-X
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 14 Jan 2012 - 21:11
Glad you liked it Graham, check out Massacre Time, The Mercenary (A Professional Gun) and Companeros. I reckon you'll like them.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: minesalager on 14 Jan 2012 - 21:25
ive already got The mercenary and companeros  lined up Aaron, plus a blu ray of Pale rider is on its way, cant beat a bit of Clint !  :'(
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: R-T-C Tim on 29 Jan 2012 - 21:37
Wait... an American Western?

Stick with the European Westerns - I have got reviews of Italian (http://www.mondo-esoterica.net/links_pages/Spaghetti_Western.html), German (http://www.mondo-esoterica.net/links_pages/Karl%20May%20Westerns.html) and East German (http://www.mondo-esoterica.net/boxsets/Westerns%20with%20a%20Twist.html) Westerns that should keep you in films to buy for a good while yet.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 30 Jan 2012 - 18:09
Wait... an American Western?
All the Clint westerns are good whether Italian or American  :D
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 30 Jan 2012 - 18:20
Even PAINT YOUR WAGON?
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 30 Jan 2012 - 18:22
Even PAINT YOUR WAGON?
I don't count that  ;D

It surely would be classed as a musical.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 30 Jan 2012 - 18:22
It's still a Western.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Paul on 31 Jan 2012 - 09:20
Wait... an American Western?
All the Clint westerns are good whether Italian or American  :D

I think HANG 'EM HIGH is quite weak, tbh. Never seen JOE KIDD but haven't heard much that's positive about that, either.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 31 Jan 2012 - 09:21
It's still a Western.
Sound of Music is a war film then  ;D
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 31 Jan 2012 - 17:01
It's still a Western.
Sound of Music is a war film then  ;D

It's not listed in the genres for it on IMDb; Western is, however, listed as a genre for PAINT YOUR WAGON.

IMDb is always right.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: the blob on 31 Jan 2012 - 17:06
It's still a Western.
Sound of Music is a war film then  ;D

Technically it's set just before WWII when Germany annexed Austria but that's just me being a pedantic cunt. :)
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Kevin Coed on 31 Jan 2012 - 17:20
Oi! There's only room for one pedantic  :( round these parts.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 31 Jan 2012 - 17:21
IMDb is always right.
:-\
Title: Re: Re: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Jonny on 31 Jan 2012 - 20:08
Oi! There's only room for one pedantic� :( round these parts.

Hehe! I knew that would get a pedantry based reply from you as soon as I saw it!
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: minesalager on 18 Feb 2012 - 14:25
Wait... an American Western?

Stick with the European Westerns - I have got reviews of Italian (http://www.mondo-esoterica.net/links_pages/Spaghetti_Western.html), German (http://www.mondo-esoterica.net/links_pages/Karl%20May%20Westerns.html) and East German (http://www.mondo-esoterica.net/boxsets/Westerns%20with%20a%20Twist.html) Westerns that should keep you in films to buy for a good while yet.

thanks for the links , they will serve me well  :-X
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 03 May 2012 - 23:20
I Saw it for the first time in Italian this evening, I love the film a whole lot more now than I did already, it made it so much better.
Title: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: the blob on 07 Sep 2012 - 02:28
I Saw it for the first time in Italian this evening, I love the film a whole lot more now than I did already, it made it so much better.

I just did that myself. Watched it plenty of times in English but this added a whole other level of depth and Django sounds so much more convincing. I liked it already but this made it way better.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Mark (UK) on 08 Jan 2013 - 22:15
Any news on the quality of the forthcoming UK blu-ray release? I could have sworn that I had the Blue Underground disc, but can't find it anywhere  :-*
Title: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Graham on 09 Jan 2013 - 18:06
I'm interested in reviews of it as well. Sold my BU blu-ray as it was a constant swirl of something, but it wasn't grain. I'm no tech expert but it looked wrong and I'd rather watch the 2002 BU DVD.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Vito Cipriani on 18 Jan 2013 - 10:32
Colour me curious as to whether the Argent release will feature a new transfer or not. The wording of their promotional gumf seems to suggest as much, but perhaps I'm being overly optimistic. Anyone know for sure?
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: Paul on 10 Feb 2013 - 12:31
I watched the Argent Blu-ray yesterday and thought it looked really nice. I'm going to check through the BU disc at some point this week to see how it compares.

Was the first time I'd seen the film in Italian and must say it plays a lot better.
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: djvaso on 02 Mar 2013 - 22:42
Studio Canal, May 16, 2013
(http://imageshack.us/a/img96/7403/djangogermanybr.jpg)
Title: Re: Django (Sergio Corbucci, 1966)
Post by: the blob on 02 Mar 2013 - 23:18
Studio Canal, May 16, 2013
(http://imageshack.us/a/img96/7403/djangogermanybr.jpg)

Do you know the language options?