Euro Cult Movie Forum => European Arthouse Cinema => Topic started by: MarcMorris on 15 Aug 2008 - 14:21

Title: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: MarcMorris on 15 Aug 2008 - 14:21
Just re-watched my old Paramount tape of this and wondered if it ever had a widescreen release anywhere?

One of my all time fave vampire movies!
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: Deranged on 16 Aug 2008 - 17:18
I've only ever come across that long play Paramount tape - I'd love to see this cleaned up and in its' proper ratio!
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: ecc on 17 Aug 2008 - 09:16
The film was shot in Technirama.  Like VistaVision it ran the film through the camera horizontally so it had a larger image area than conventional 35mm.  In addition, it used an anamorphic lens.  Prints were then optically converted so that they could be shown with CinemaScope projector lenses.  I'd love to see this in widescreen as well.
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: JoseADiego on 17 Aug 2008 - 12:19


Extraordinary film !!!!!!!!!!

Fortunately I have a copy of a channel of TV of Spain  ;)

Some captures to adorn   :-\



(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2229/sangreyrosasil1.jpg)


(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2337/sangreyrosas1eh5.jpg)


(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9674/sangreyrosas2la7.jpg)


(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/3013/sangreyrosas3jo9.jpg)





WEB

http://psychotronickultvideo.blogspot.com/

SALE VIDEOS

http://videoguia.spaces.live.com/
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: MarcMorris on 17 Aug 2008 - 12:40
That's very cool - I would love a copy - although I must say those images do look cropped to me.
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: ecc on 17 Aug 2008 - 13:29
I'd love a copy too.  The English title does not look like it does on the US tape:
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8936/bandr0004st9.jpg)
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: Deranged on 17 Aug 2008 - 16:50
Quote from: MarcMorris on 17 Aug 2008 - 12:40
That's very cool - I would love a copy - although I must say those images do look cropped to me.

Yeah - looks quite cropped judging by the lack of headroom on some of those shots - but I'd certainly like to see that version!
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: MarcMorris on 25 Aug 2008 - 18:24
Comparison between the Spanish TV broadcast and the American Paramount/Gateway tape:

Spanish = Top
USA = Bottom

(http://cultmovieforums.com/forumpix/BloodAndRoses/sangreyrosas1.jpg)
(http://cultmovieforums.com/forumpix/BloodAndRoses/Frame1.png)

(http://cultmovieforums.com/forumpix/BloodAndRoses/sangreyrosas2.jpg)
(http://cultmovieforums.com/forumpix/BloodAndRoses/Frame2.png)

(http://cultmovieforums.com/forumpix/BloodAndRoses/sangreyrosas3.jpg)
(http://cultmovieforums.com/forumpix/BloodAndRoses/Frame3.png)
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 25 Aug 2008 - 21:46
Well, that tape is certainly a disgrace compared
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: ecc on 27 Dec 2008 - 01:15
I just got a DVDR of the French widescreen release and was considering it for a fandub but I noticed that the first five minute after the credits are completely different than in the English version.  The atmospheric opening narration is lost.  After the plane takes off, we see the family doctor on the plane talking to the people sitting next to him recollecting the story which then leads to a different introduction of the main character.  The fireworks engineer is surveying the countryside, Carmilla and Giorgia are seen riding a horse together, the little girls are tending the sheep, Carmilla and Giorgia meet Leopoldo in front of the villa and we immediately see the change in Carmilla's manner when the couple kiss.  The villa night exterior following the narration in the English version leads to a zoom to an upper window where the little girls are saying their prayers.  Then we get to the drawing room scene as seen in the English version.

That's all I've watched so far.  How does the Spanish version open?
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: ecc on 28 Dec 2008 - 10:20
Top = French version
Middle = Spanish version
Bottom = cropped US tape

(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9620/pdvd239wc2.jpg)
(http://cultmovieforums.com/forumpix/BloodAndRoses/sangreyrosas1.jpg)
(http://cultmovieforums.com/forumpix/BloodAndRoses/Frame1.png)

(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/1130/pdvd243ge9.jpg)
(http://cultmovieforums.com/forumpix/BloodAndRoses/sangreyrosas2.jpg)
(http://cultmovieforums.com/forumpix/BloodAndRoses/Frame2.png)

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1690/pdvd245zn4.jpg)
(http://cultmovieforums.com/forumpix/BloodAndRoses/sangreyrosas3.jpg)
(http://cultmovieforums.com/forumpix/BloodAndRoses/Frame3.png)

Deleted Shot:
(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6743/pdvd246lg6.jpg)

While I would like to see the uncut version get a release, I would also like to see the American version on DVD. The French version has a longer less atmospheric opening and has no equivalent of Millarca's narration and the music placement is sometimes detrimentally different (the music that underscores the narration is also missing and may have been added to the English dubbing and not part of Jean Prodromides' score). The resurrection of Millarca is a bit longer in the French version (we see the camera POV rise from the tomb and it moves in on Carmilla longer - there is no scream with the fade out).

Has anyone seen the Italian version?
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: drmiaow on 04 Jan 2009 - 11:27
I just watched the English version for the first time last night, and loved it. I can't imagine it without the narration or the music. Does anyone know what the director's original intention was? Does he discuss it in his autobiography, MEMOIRS OF THE DEVIL?
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: drmiaow on 11 Jan 2009 - 19:57
I don't suppose anyone has a subbed copy of the French version?
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: drmiaow on 13 Apr 2009 - 10:07
I finally got hold of a subbed copy of the widescreen French version. Even though it's sourced from VHS and the subs drift, it's an amazing film. The colours are strong and vibrant (very Bava-esque) which doesn't come across at all on the US version, and the compositions striking. I didn't miss the voice-over at all, and the plot benefits from being more ambiguous (is Carmilla a vampire? Or is it all in her mind?). One thing: while the shot of her bloody breast was a surprise, I was really puzzled that Georgia's amazing dream sequence (a stand-out from the US version) was almost completely missing, with just a brief shot of Millarca in her surgeon's robes explaining that Carmilla died in the tomb, and then revealing Carmilla on the table; but the shot is in colour, while in the US version it comes at the end of the much lengthier sequence and is in black and white. Whatever the reason, while both versions are well worth watching, the French version has the edge for me. It's a fantastic film: I'd love to see a re-release that does it justice.
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: Pluto on 02 Dec 2009 - 14:30
I had some questions to the people who acquired the Spansh print of "Blood And Roses". Does this version have the dream sequences that are missing from the French print? Is it in Spanish, or French w/ Spanish subs, or English? Also is the Spanish version still available as a copy to be purchased on DVD-R? I'm in the U.S., but have the ability to play DVD's in PAL.

Thank you,

Pluto
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: Pluto on 07 Feb 2010 - 16:20
I just watched my copy of the French version of "Blood And Roses", and my version cuts off at the sopt where the 2 little girls are running up to Leopoldo to tell him Carmilla is Missing. Is this common with all copies of the French version that are available, or is there a version with the full ending where we see Carmilla dying among the ruins and we see the wrapup on the plane with the doctor?

THank you,

Pluto
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: drmiaow on 07 Feb 2010 - 21:15
Quote from: Pluto on 07 Feb 2010 - 16:20
I just watched my copy of the French version of "Blood And Roses", and my version cuts off at the sopt where the 2 little girls are running up to Leopoldo to tell him Carmilla is Missing. Is this common with all copies of the French version that are available, or is there a version with the full ending where we see Carmilla dying among the ruins and we see the wrapup on the plane with the doctor?

THank you,

Pluto

My copy is complete :-)

Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: babybreese on 14 Feb 2010 - 16:27
Quote from: Pluto on 07 Feb 2010 - 16:20
I just watched my copy of the French version of "Blood And Roses", and my version cuts off at the sopt where the 2 little girls are running up to Leopoldo to tell him Carmilla is Missing. Is this common with all copies of the French version that are available, or is there a version with the full ending where we see Carmilla dying among the ruins and we see the wrapup on the plane with the doctor?

THank you,

Pluto

Yes, the film ends with the doctor's narration on the plane.
Your copy is incomplete :-[
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: prospero on 03 Jun 2010 - 10:59
i wonder what's kkeping this film from getting a decent international release. vadim is very well-known, there a serveral versions of the film which would make for excellent dvd-extras, so what's the problem?
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: ecc on 26 Oct 2010 - 13:04
It is streaming on Netflix but only in its cropped form.
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: Mark L. on 06 Dec 2010 - 08:15
With respect to the French and Spanish versions of this movie does anyone have any idea as to where they can be acquired? I'm in America but multi-region discs are not a problem and I'll take them on DVD-R with no trouble at all.

ecc the deleted scene in your post above, is that from the French version?
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: ecc on 06 Dec 2010 - 08:30
Quote from: Mark L. on 06 Dec 2010 - 08:15
ecc the deleted scene in your post above, is that from the French version?

Yes, that's the French version.
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: Assault Suit on 14 Feb 2014 - 07:00
Whoah, where did this come from:
http://mondo-digital.com/bloodvadim.html (http://mondo-digital.com/bloodvadim.html)
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: medway garage on 14 Feb 2014 - 18:38
More details here;

http://thelatarniaforums.yuku.com/topic/6672/WE-WANT-BLOOD-AND-ROSES-DAMN-IT?page=5#.Uv5uEKFFC00 (http://thelatarniaforums.yuku.com/topic/6672/WE-WANT-BLOOD-AND-ROSES-DAMN-IT?page=5#.Uv5uEKFFC00)

It's a German dvd limited to 1200 copies, looks a little bit too hot on the colours, but MUCH better than the CG torrent, the print is a German print with the majority of the nightmare sequence [seems to be inserted from a slightly lesser quality print, about 6 seconds missing compared with the US nightmare sequence]. Language options are German and French [a little crackly] plus English or German optional subs.

I hope for a proper restoration one day but until that day comes and Paramount allow someone else to release this title I would snap this up before it disappears !

http://www.amazon.de/vor-Lust-Sterben-Filmclub-Limited/dp/B00HYSHWRU/ref=sr_1_19?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1390403838&sr=1-19&keywords=mel+ferrer (http://www.amazon.de/vor-Lust-Sterben-Filmclub-Limited/dp/B00HYSHWRU/ref=sr_1_19?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1390403838&sr=1-19&keywords=mel+ferrer)
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: medway garage on 14 Feb 2014 - 19:36
My dvd turned up today here are some screenshots, they are scaled down on my laptop [sorry only way I could do it] but you get a pretty good idea of what they would look like on a T.V.

(http://i.imgbox.com/ocuT4BFq)

(http://i.imgbox.com/e6bb13kk)

(http://i.imgbox.com/Ucx7SYlt)

(http://i.imgbox.com/DWSvqjgM)

(http://i.imgbox.com/OYPttDxn)

(http://i.imgbox.com/GlfXXXTP)

(http://i.imgbox.com/UQ6s6Okv)

(http://i.imgbox.com/iZXBBAEH)

(http://i.imgbox.com/eeGxzsrF)

(http://i.imgbox.com/RdsicxWS)

(http://i.imgbox.com/WNVRETu5)

The above brief shot may be a VHS insert.

(http://i.imgbox.com/mzqqj7Lr)

(http://i.imgbox.com/EpRoBkfV)

Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: Assault Suit on 14 Feb 2014 - 21:10
Thanks for the (nice looking) screenshots! I will surely be adding this to my next D&T order, as I've been waiting for this to surface on DVD for quite some time.
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: drmiaow on 08 Mar 2014 - 11:40
Fantastic. Thanks for the screen shots and info. Just ordered a copy...
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: alan tozer on 13 May 2015 - 17:24
Anybody seen the Italian DVD release of this?
Title: Re: Blood and Roses (Roger Vadim, 1960)
Post by: bdc on 21 Jul 2015 - 20:34
Apparently it "borrows" from the German dvd,don't know if the Italian subs are optional on the French track? No English subs are mentioned on the back cover.