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Title: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Sollima, 1970)
Post by: ecc on 28 Jun 2009 - 13:37
Surprised that there's no thread for this one already?  Perhaps it isn't gritty enough (it does seem to have been somewhat toned down with a stateside major release in mind) what with it being a French/Italian co-production with top tier technicians (though not necessarily better than the ones working in lower budget films at the time) like DP Aldo Tonti and Leone-regulars Nino Baragli (editor) and Ennio Morricone (whose over-emphatic score is not one of his better works) but it has some great stunts (the opening car chase, for instance) and - despite Jill Ireland - some good performances.

Or perhaps it has not been talked of much here since it's been widely available on DVD since 2001, has been reissued, apparently the UK disc is also a port of the Anchor Bay version, and the cut German DVD has an English track as well.

I've got the OOP Anchor Bay disc of this (the Blue Underground DVD is a straight port of the Anchor Bay).  It has been mentioned on the Mobius board that although the Anchor Bay/BU releases do restore footage not present in the English version in Italian with English subtitles, some of the restored scenes were indeed in the US version with English dubbing (as with the restored Anchor Bay releases of CUT AND RUN and FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE).  Before the Anchor Bay disc, I was familiar with the film as THE FAMILY.  I had seen it on TV and got a copy of MPI's Gorgon Video-looking clamshell release which turned out to be a TV print which was further cut down from the US theatrical version (which I do not believe has turned up on tape stateside).  The English titles are arranged and sized differently between the US and export versions although the content and opticals are the same (I've also got the impression that the end titles were redone for the disc release but I haven't compared it with the tape).
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Solimma, 1970)
Post by: Diabolik on 16 Jul 2009 - 09:49
Danish releases... Both lbx... and both short versions!! :-(

(http://www.diabolik.dk/llol/12_.jpg)

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/D
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Solimma, 1970)
Post by: demented_uk on 25 Aug 2011 - 11:25
Amazon.it are now shipping the Blu-Ray release and have dropped the price to €11.99. With shipping it comes to around £18 which is not bad at all for an Italian import.

http://www.amazon.it/Citta-Violenta-Charles-Bronson/dp/B005745N2O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314271501&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.it/Citta-Violenta-Charles-Bronson/dp/B005745N2O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314271501&sr=8-1)
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Solimma, 1970)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 25 Aug 2011 - 11:49
Amazon.it are now shipping the Blu-Ray release and have dropped the price to €11.99. With shipping it comes to around £15 which is not bad at all for an Italian import.

http://www.amazon.it/Citta-Violenta-Charles-Bronson/dp/B005745N2O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314271501&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.it/Citta-Violenta-Charles-Bronson/dp/B005745N2O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314271501&sr=8-1)
Every time I try to buy it I get 7.20 euros postage coming up!!!!!!
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Solimma, 1970)
Post by: Jonny on 25 Aug 2011 - 12:29
Amazon.it are now shipping the Blu-Ray release and have dropped the price to €11.99. With shipping it comes to around £15 which is not bad at all for an Italian import.

http://www.amazon.it/Citta-Violenta-Charles-Bronson/dp/B005745N2O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314271501&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.it/Citta-Violenta-Charles-Bronson/dp/B005745N2O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314271501&sr=8-1)
Every time I try to buy it I get 7.20 euros postage coming up!!!!!!

Which adds up to about 19.20 euros which is about £17
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Solimma, 1970)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 25 Aug 2011 - 12:37
Amazon.it are now shipping the Blu-Ray release and have dropped the price to €11.99. With shipping it comes to around £15 which is not bad at all for an Italian import.

http://www.amazon.it/Citta-Violenta-Charles-Bronson/dp/B005745N2O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314271501&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.it/Citta-Violenta-Charles-Bronson/dp/B005745N2O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314271501&sr=8-1)
Every time I try to buy it I get 7.20 euros postage coming up!!!!!!
That postage takes the fucking piss, same with amazon.com but when we sell things to foreign countries on amazon.co.uk you barely get back what the postage costs.
Which adds up to about 19.20 euros which is about £17
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Solimma, 1970)
Post by: demented_uk on 25 Aug 2011 - 13:04
My mistake, it was €7.20 for shipping so works out at around £18. Shipping from Italy is always expensive but the best thing about Amazon.it is that their shipping is super fast. The disc should arrive by Saturday.

I ordered SERPICO on Blu-Ray from
Amazon.fr on Tuesday and it arrived this morning.
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Solimma, 1970)
Post by: demented_uk on 26 Aug 2011 - 10:12
Excellent service from Amazon.it, the disc arrived this morning. The cover art is different to the one advertised and is a bit of a dodgy Photoshop job. The disc is housed in the same case that Criterion use for their Blu-Ray releases. Will give it a spin this afternoon.

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Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Solimma, 1970)
Post by: leone on 26 Aug 2011 - 12:23
and Ennio Morricone (whose over-emphatic score is not one of his better works)
Totally dissagree, I like it a lot! I think it is one of his better works. It creates a very special athmosphere.
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Solimma, 1970)
Post by: demented_uk on 26 Aug 2011 - 12:40
Just given it a quick look. The film looks great in HD, very colourful in the outdoor sequences. For a film over 40 years old I doubt it could get any better.

This is the complete version of the film and English subtitles are provided for the Italian audio only scenes. The English audio track sounds fine.
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Solimma, 1970)
Post by: the blob on 26 Aug 2011 - 16:38
I'll have to order this when I get enough spare cash to do a larger order. Only have it on a Hollywood DVD 4-pack at the moment but at least that seems to be the full version.
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Solimma, 1970)
Post by: djvaso on 26 Aug 2011 - 19:06
Just given it a quick look. The film looks great in HD, very colourful in the outdoor sequences. For a film over 40 years old I doubt it could get any better.

This is the complete version of the film and English subtitles are provided for the Italian audio only scenes. The English audio track sounds fine.

Thanks for the report! I hope that you don't mind that I quoted your word with full reference on Blu-ray.com and criterionforum.org forums.
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Solimma, 1970)
Post by: Mario on 26 Aug 2011 - 23:45
Is it region B or region free?
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Solimma, 1970)
Post by: Garbage Can on 27 Aug 2011 - 00:40
Mr. Bungle, an alter-ego project of Mike Patton, lead singer of the American band Faith No More, did a cover of the theme in the early 90s

http://youtu.be/OCgJ_9sdDPQ

As for the movie, I loved the conclusion...








...*crack*...*crackcrack*..................*crack*
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Sollima, 1970)
Post by: quidtum on 28 Aug 2011 - 15:02
May you please edit and correct the name of the director on the title of the topic?
Sergio Sollima is correct, not Solimma.
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Sollima, 1970)
Post by: djvaso on 09 Sep 2011 - 17:55
I have posted Blu-ray specifications at dvdcompare.net forum and the moderator Anthony DiPaola replayed with:
"It seems this is the restored cut, but it seems the runtime you posted is 104 mins. The restored cut runs at about 109 minutes. So is this a PAL Master, edited, different version, runtime mistake, or what? Could you please check again?"

I check again and the runtime is definitely 01:44:42. The movie is even shorter because there is black screen with the music at the end. Anchor Bay/Blue Underground DVD runs 109:15 min. I am confused with this.

[EDIT] I suppose this is because of the picture format 1080i50 (25fps).
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Sollima, 1970)
Post by: Sundance on 09 Sep 2011 - 19:55
Yes I would think that is the reason for the runtime, but why the f**k was it released like that?

EDIT: I wonder does this mean it is worse than what it would be as 1080p or not? If this were a DVD, it would be worse (since on interlaced DVDs frames are made from two half frames which are from a different point in time?). I tried googling for this stuff and according to several sources there shouldn't (or at least most wouldn't see it) basically be any difference between 1080i and 1080p if the player or tv can do a good deinterlacing. But for that to work the half frames have to be from the same point in time. :-*

Somebody help! ;D

EDIT2: The master used was probably in 1080p25 (maybe for TV broadcasts which could be then shown easily in 1080i50?) and Blu-Rays won't support that. But the disc should look as good as what it would have as 1080p (but the audio pitch is different?). Unfortunately not all US players/TVs support 1080i50 and this includes (US) PS3. ???
http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-players-recorders/95245-us-blu-ray-players-50hz-compatibility.html
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Sollima, 1970)
Post by: Nuno on 04 Dec 2011 - 18:02
Original Portuguese 1st Edition VHS
Video Label: Imavideo
Tape Year: 1988

More Pics: http://nuno-dvdcollection.blogspot.com/2011/12/violent-city-1970.html
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Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Sollima, 1970)
Post by: Funktion on 19 Oct 2012 - 19:54
Sorry for bumping this thread, but a quick question for those who bought the Italian Blu-Ray: did your copy arrive factory sealed?

I just received a copy of it from Amazon.it, and it wasn't sealed, and the condition of the disc wasn't all that famous.
Title: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Sollima, 1970)
Post by: demented_uk on 19 Oct 2012 - 20:13
Received mine a while ago from Amazon.it but I am sure it was shrink wrapped.
Title: Re: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Sollima, 1970)
Post by: Jonny on 19 Oct 2012 - 20:22
Received mine a while ago from Amazon.it but I am sure it was shrink wrapped.

What's the av quality Oli?
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Sollima, 1970)
Post by: Funktion on 19 Oct 2012 - 20:22
Received mine a while ago from Amazon.it but I am sure it was shrink wrapped.
Thanks.
Considering the condition of the disc, it's probably a previously returned copy.  :-[
Title: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Sollima, 1970)
Post by: demented_uk on 19 Oct 2012 - 20:34
Received mine a while ago from Amazon.it but I am sure it was shrink wrapped.

What's the av quality Oli?

Considering the disc is interlaced (1080i/50) and not 'full' HD it is very good indeed. A very worthwhile purchase.
Title: Re: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Sollima, 1970)
Post by: Jonny on 19 Oct 2012 - 21:54
Received mine a while ago from Amazon.it but I am sure it was shrink wrapped.

What's the av quality Oli?

Consider the disc is interlaced (1080i/50) and not 'full' HD it is very good indeed. A very worthwhile purchase.

Cheers mate.
Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Sollima, 1970)
Post by: Inspector Tanzi on 28 Nov 2013 - 21:43
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Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Sollima, 1970)
Post by: Funktion on 28 Mar 2022 - 11:03
9 year "bump" ;D, but it seems I'll be retiring my Italian BD soon.

Violent City is getting new US and UK BD releases soon, with multiple cuts included.

In the US, Kino Lorber is releasing Violent City on May 17 as a 2 BD set, with the following specs:

DISC ONE:
*NEW 2K RESTORATION of Violent City (In English & Italian with Optional English Subtitles)
*NEW Audio Commentary by Film Historian Paul Talbot, the author of the BRONSON'S LOOSE! Books
*Shooting VIOLENT CITY: Interview with Co-Writer/Director Sergio Sollima
*Theatrical Trailers for VIOLENT CITY and THE FAMILY
*TV Spot for THE FAMILY

DISC TWO:
*NEW 4K Restoration of Città violenta (In Italian with Optional English Subtitles)
*Master of The Family – 2K Scan of a 35mm Print (In English with Optional English Subtitles)
*Charles Bronson Theatrical Trailers

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In the UK, 88 Films is releasing it on May 16, also as a 2 BD set.
While the final specs are yet to be announced, the contents are probably going to be very similar to the US release, since when they first announced this release, they confirmed the following inclusions:

*3 Cuts of the Film: 4K transfer of Violent City, 2K tranfer of the Italian Cut, The Family Version
*Audio Commentary by Paul Talbot
*Trailer

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Title: Re: Violent City / The Family / Citta violenta (Sergio Sollima, 1970)
Post by: Funktion on 08 Apr 2022 - 14:56
Here are the specs for the upcoming 88 Films UK Limited Edition (3000 Units):

Disc One:

*New 4K Remastered Transfer of Città Violenta
*Alternate 2K Remastered Transfer of Violent City
*2.0 English DTS-HD MA Mono (With some sections in Italian with English subtitles as these scenes were never dubbed into English)
*2.0 Italian DTS-HS MA Mono with Newly Translated English Subtitles
*Audio Commentary by Charles Bronson Expert, Paul Talbot


Disc Two:

*'The Family' (Shorter US Version of the Film Sourced from a rare archive 35mm Print) with optional English SDH
*Shooting Violent City - An Interview with Director Sergio Sollima
*Violent Sollima - An Interview with Italian Cinema Expert Eugenio Ercolani
*An Important Friendship - An Interview with Pierpaolo De Sanctis
*"The Controversies of VIOLENT CITY" by EUROCRIME! director Mike Malloy
*Original Trailer
*‘The Family’ Trailer
*‘The Family’ TV Spots

+

*Matt Laminate Full Slipcase with brand-new artwork from Colin Murdoch
*'Charlie Slays - How Charles Bronson Transitioned from Character Actor to Leading Man in Sergio Sollima’s Brutal and Brilliant Violent City (1970)' - Booklet Notes by Andrew Graves and 'Citta Violenta' Booklet Notes by Tim Murray
*Double-sided foldout Poster

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