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Author Topic: Ring of Darkness / Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)  (Read 56706 times)

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Count me in as another fan of RING OF DARKNESS!  ::)

I don't really consider it a complete success - for that it is too uneven - but it's a very interesting and strangely compelling film with a very good cast. There's also a really atmospheric score that was later re-used in PIECES.

The version I saw has French and Belgian subtitles and is sourced from another Cinehollywood release I believe. It's widescreen but way too dark and this seriously affects my enjoyment of the film. I know Midnight Video offers a version that has Swedish subtitles and I'm very tempted to pick it up as I believe it may be a great improvement (Scandinavian tapes almost always look pretty decent). Also, I'm hoping it may be a longer version as I've heard the Cinehollywood version is missing a few scenes (including the onscreen suicide of one of the characters).

This one should get a DVD release!! Then again, it may not happen anytime soon due to Lara Wendel's underage nudity. Furthermore, I'm fascinated by the film because it appears to have had a troubled production history. My Nuovo Cinema Europeo magazine states that this film finished shooting in 1977, so Lara may well have been only 12 or 13!!! I've no idea why it didn't come out until in 1979 but I guess there may have been financial problems so that it took take to complete the post-production. If so, then the English dubbing must also have been performed at a much later point, and this may explain why not a single one of the many English-speaking cast members supply their own voices for the English dub. Of course, the dialogue syncs very well with the lip-movements but the dead giveaway is how most of the voices are familiar from other films: Anne Heywood is dubbed by Silvia Faver, who also dubbed Dagmar Lassander in FORBIDDEN PHOTOS OF A LADY ABOVE SUSPICION, Stefania Casini in SUSPIRIA, Macha Magall in SS GIRLS etc, John Phillip Law is dubbed by Ted Rusoff who dubbed Klaus Kinski in SLAUGHTER HOTEL, Kieran Canter in BEYOND THE DARKNESS, Jack Taylor in PIECES etc, and I believe Irene Papas is dubbed with a thick Italian accent by the same woman who dubbed Dana Ghia with a very Scottish accent in SEVEN DEATHS IN THE CAT'S EYES.
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #1 on: 20 Nov 2007 - 17:25 »

I noticed on imdb that it lists the Italian version of this as being around 20 minutes longer than the other versions. Anyone shed any light on the differences?
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #2 on: 20 Nov 2007 - 17:27 »

I have the Italian release and it's the same. This film sounds good on paper but it's pretty dire if you ask me.
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #3 on: 20 Nov 2007 - 17:33 »

How's the picture quality on your Italian version?
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #4 on: 20 Nov 2007 - 17:36 »

I noticed on imdb that it lists the Italian version of this as being around 20 minutes longer than the other versions.

IMDb is Fantasy Island. I wouldn't rely on it for anything approaching reality.
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #5 on: 20 Nov 2007 - 17:38 »



Italian locandina- love this movie!
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #6 on: 20 Nov 2007 - 17:41 »

Is that some sort of foetus on that poster?
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #7 on: 20 Nov 2007 - 17:44 »

I think so! Too bad I don't have the actual locandina, I should get one...
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #8 on: 20 Nov 2007 - 17:47 »

There's some real Italian starlets in this including Marisa Mell,Carmen Russo,Sofia Dionisio,Dirce Funari,Sonia Viviani plus Lara Wendel who must have been well below 15 when it was made and has some nude scenes.
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #9 on: 20 Nov 2007 - 17:48 »

I have the Italian release and it's the same.

Just noticed there's a Cinehollywood VHS on eBay at the moment... Going cheap  :D

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #10 on: 20 Nov 2007 - 17:54 »

plus Lara Wendel who must have been well below 15 when it was made and has some nude scenes.

MALADOLESCENZA was made before this one wasn't it? I am sure she was used to the nudity by 1979  ::)
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #11 on: 20 Nov 2007 - 17:55 »

i'm quite sure i haven't seen this
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #12 on: 20 Nov 2007 - 18:07 »

MALADOLESCENZA was made before this one wasn't it? I am sure she was used to the nudity by 1979  ::)
She was very young,Johan says they finished filming this in 1977 so she was 12 when it was made.Very dangerous ground especially with the amount of nudity in both films,makes you wonder what her parents and the producers were thinking!
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #13 on: 20 Nov 2007 - 18:13 »

Indeed, the Nuovo Cinema Europeo magazine states that Pier Carpi finished shooting the film in 1977. Also, Marisa Mell's filmography in Stephen Thrower's excellent Lucio Fulci book lists it as a 1977 film but mentions it was first released in 1979, so I think it's safe to assume Lara Wendel was around 12. This may cause some problems for a legit DVD release - at least in certain countries.

Later in 1977, Carpi started shooting a new film called IL MAGO E LA SVASTICA with RING cast members John Phillip Law, Valentina Cortese, Marisa Mell and Paola Tedesco, as well as Max Von Sydow. It's never been released, though, and was probably never finished.

I'm going to buy the Midnight Video version next time I do some Euro film shopping, so I'll report back on whether or not it's longer than the Greek and Belgian Cinehollywood versions. At the very least I hope the picture quality is less dark. The Italian version may well be the same as the Greek and Belgian Cinehollywood versions but a longer version should exist. I remember reading on the Italian Nocturno forum about a longer version that contains the onscreen suicide of one of the characters.

The film isn't great but it's very fascinating and with a great cast of internationally respected stars like Irene Papas and Valentina Cortese as well as more B-movie favorites like Anne Heywood and John Phillip Law, and various glamorous Italian starlets popping up in brief t&a cameos. Certain plot points make very little sense, and it would have been good if some of the actors had dubbed their own voices but, again, I assume it was dubbed a great deal later than when shooting was complete, so the actors were probably busy with other projects. It's still a fun film, though, and I dig the soundtrack and the funky satanic hand-greetings.

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #14 on: 20 Nov 2007 - 18:35 »

I have an original Italian Cinehollywood tape (like this one) and a Finnish English language release.
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