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Author Topic: Ring of Darkness / Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)  (Read 55901 times)

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #15 on: 21 Nov 2007 - 10:08 »

I have a copy of a mag called Devil Movies from the 70's that reviews this film and mentions Wendal's age and nude scenes but I can't remember how old it says she was. It says her father was appearing in a film being made in Italy and she was hanging around with him and that's how she got the role in Ring Of Darkness. The mag says she appears nude several times but in the copy of the film I have, which is from a really dark Cinehollywood print, I think she only appears nude once.
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #16 on: 21 Nov 2007 - 12:25 »

I have a copy of a mag called Devil Movies from the 70's that reviews this film and mentions Wendal's age and nude scenes but I can't remember how old it says she was.
A few sources have her as being born in March 1965,if right then she was indeed 11/12 when she did MALADOLESCENZA and RING OF DARKNESS.She's also in the excellent PERFUME OF THE LADY IN BLACK alongside Mimsy Farmer.
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #17 on: 21 Nov 2007 - 13:25 »

I have a copy of a mag called Devil Movies from the 70's that reviews this film and mentions Wendal's age and nude scenes but I can't remember how old it says she was.
A few sources have her as being born in March 1965,if right then she was indeed 11/12 when she did MALADOLESCENZA and RING OF DARKNESS.She's also in the excellent PERFUME OF THE LADY IN BLACK alongside Mimsy Farmer.
Don't forget aboutTenebrae.
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #18 on: 21 Nov 2007 - 15:40 »

Her father, Walter Barnes, appears to have had a pretty successful acting career. Her mother is German actress Britta Barnes and both Lara and her brother appeared in tiny, tiny roles together with Britta in REDNECK (1973). In spite of the controversy surrounding MALADOLESCENZA, I'd say Lara did pretty well and had a successful acting career - handling the shift from child actress to adult roles better than several other child actors.

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« Reply #19 on: 21 Nov 2007 - 15:44 »

Her father, Walter Barnes.
he was also in THE BIG GUNDOWN
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #20 on: 22 Nov 2007 - 09:23 »

I have a copy of a mag called Devil Movies from the 70's that reviews this film and mentions Wendal's age and nude scenes but I can't remember how old it says she was.
A few sources have her as being born in March 1965,if right then she was indeed 11/12 when she did MALADOLESCENZA and RING OF DARKNESS.She's also in the excellent PERFUME OF THE LADY IN BLACK alongside Mimsy Farmer.
Spot on Stephen, she was 12 when she appeared in Ring Of Darkness. Here's a quote from Anne Heywood, "Carpi didn't really want nude scenes though, so we tone them down by wearing cloaks." I'm guessing that only applied to actors over that age!
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #21 on: 27 Nov 2007 - 13:45 »

Just got the Midnight Video version in the mail today and took a quick look at it. I'll sit down and watch the entire film later today but my first impression is quite good. The picture quality is very nice and here we can clearly see what's going on in the dark scenes too. A vast improvement.

I also thought I'd sit down and try to make a comparison between the MV version and the Belgian release. Just by quickly flicking through it, I discovered a few minor differences. I'll post what I find out later.

Now, for reference, could someone please tell me what the running time on the Greek Cinehollywood version is?

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #22 on: 27 Nov 2007 - 14:56 »

Cinehollywood (Italy) = 84m 13s (PAL) - Italian
Walthers/Harley (Finland) 84m 12s (PAL) - English
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #23 on: 28 Nov 2007 - 01:23 »

I've finally had the time to fully watch Midnight Video's version of RING OF DARKNESS and I thought it looked quite impressive. The source for MV's version is a Finnish VHS release. I'm pretty sure it's the one from Walters/Harley that Marc refers to. Check out the artwork here: http://www.elitisti.net/fixdb.php?id=807

Prior to today, I had only watched this film through a DVD-R of a Belgian video release. Earlier I referred to this as a Belgian Cinehollywood release because that's what I thought it was but I was incorrect - this release isn't from Cinehollywood at all. Here's the artwork:





Notice how it has two titles: LES VIERGES DAMNEES and DE DUIVELSE MAAGDEN. This is because Belgium has both French-Belgian and Flemish as official languages. As a result, the VHS is actually subtitled in two different languages as well. If you look at the screenshots below, you'll see that the upper subs are in French-Belgian, while the lower is in Flemish. I guess this was the norm with all Belgian VHS releases...







Anyway, the quality of the Finnish version that Midnight Video uses really blows the Belgian release out of the water. The Belgian is overly dark. Not only in the night scenes, which are almost impossible to make out, but it's also frustratingly dark during the day scenes. The MV version is much better and it's finally possible to actually see what is going on during the darker moments such as the coven scenes, Marisa Mell confronting Lara Wendel, the exorcism and the nude mother-daughter fight. The colors on the MV version are a bit washed out and there are some rather pale skin colors in the brighter scenes but it's still a major improvement and the dark scenes look wonderful.


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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #24 on: 28 Nov 2007 - 01:24 »

The running time on the Finnish release is 84 minutes. According to Sweet Cosy Video, that is also the running time on the Swedish and Danish VHS releases: http://www.sweetcozyvideo.com/doSearch.asp?rdir=Pier+Carpi

Thanks to Marc, we also know that the Italian Cinehollywood release runs 84 minutes too, and I'm assuming that this is also the running time on the Greek Cinehollywood tape.

Now, this is where my comparison of the Midnight Video version and the Belgian release really gets interesting because the Belgian version is actually longer at 87 minutes!

So what's the difference? Well, I'll tell you: the Belgian VHS release includes an extra scene that runs 3 minutes and 14 seconds. This scene occurs at around 46 minutes into the film - right after the scene where Marisa Mell unsuccessfully confronts Lara Wendel, and before the scene where Lara finds her burned doll.

It's a coven scene where all the witches are gathered in their white robes while some awesome drum music by Maestro Cipriani plays:












A young girl played by Carmen Russo is to be initiated into the coven:







Carmen strips naked and lies down on an altar as Lucifer enters:











Lucifer starts kissing Carmen and all this is clearly upsetting Anne Heywood, who hates how giving herself to the devil has ruined the lives of herself and her friends. Distraught, she cries out to Lucifer: "No! You won't defile her! You won't destroy another girl's life!"








Anne and two other coven members then stand up against Lucifer and approach him with their swords pointed at his face. He then vanishes into air - without making Carmen Russo one of his devil brides:










This is actually a very important scene. It's the first time we actually see the women defy Lucifer and this action is what really sets all the trouble in full gear. It is after this scene that Lara Wendel's character is really getting aggresive; with Lucifer using her as his instrument to get revenge on the brides that have betrayed him. This scene marks an important turning point in the film and is even referred to later scenes, like when Frank Finlay tells Anne Heywood that "three of you have defied Him", so it's very odd that such an important sequence ended up cut from most versions!

Additionally, the removal of this scene pretty much leaves out all of Carmen Russo's performance as the only other scene she appears in is the opening credits satanic dance.

One other minor difference between the Belgian and MV versions is that the opening credits of the Belgian VHS are in English, while the end credits are in Italian. On the MV version, both the opening and ending credits are in Italian.

The question that remains is whether or not an even longer version of the film exists. Several Italian film databases list it as being 106 minutes! So is that an error, or does exist somewhere? Personally, I'm inclined to think that a longer version does exist. Maybe not as long as 106 minutes but probably a bit longer than 87 minutes. Why? Well, because the film frequently feels as if it's been shortened. Look at Frank Finlay's character for example. He only appears in a single scene but we never know who or what he actually is. He also appears to have some history with Anne Heywood's character but this is never explained.

But more importantly, there should be some more scenes dealing with the character of Anna (or Almarisa as she is named in the Italian version), the daughter of Valentina Cortese's character. She, like Lara Wendel's Daria, is Lucifer's daughter and is a very important character in the story. Anna is shown to be the exact opposite of Daria. Whereas Daria embraces her growing powers and the evil side in her, Anna is more kind and human. Rather than submitting to the dark side, she chooses to take her own life. Unfortunately, though, Anna hardly has a word of dialogue and her appearance is super-brief, which feels very strange. Contrasting her struggle with her dark side against Daria's increasing love for her evil powers would probably have made the film more effective. Likewise, it could have been a good idea to show Daria as more normal and nice during the early scenes. That way her change into an evil child would have been more frightening than with her acting somewhat mean from the get-go. Well, who knows? Maybe I'm wrong but I believe that if a longer version exists, then it probably has more footage of Anna, which I think would enrich the film a great deal. These few complaints aside, though, I still love this film. Now more than ever actually, and the soundtrack is absolutely spellbinding!

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #25 on: 28 Nov 2007 - 08:12 »

It really wouldn't surprise me if the film had many re-cuts over the years. The film does work for me at all - it's very dull -  and I'm sure the distributors had a really tough time selling it at the various films and video markets of the early 1980s.
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« Reply #26 on: 29 Nov 2007 - 20:10 »

I can see where you're coming from, Marc, and I'll readily admit that this is a very flawed film. However, I'm still incredibly fascinated by it and have grown to love it in spite of its faults.

RING OF DARKNESS is actually based on director Pier Carpi's own novel:



Since he chose to translate his own novel to the screen, it's obvious that this was a very personal project for Carpi but from what I've gathered, the film's numerous production problems led to the released film being rather different from what Carpi originally set out to make. It'd be interesting to read the actual novel for a comparison but I'm guessing it has never been published in English.

I wish I knew more about the film's troublesome shooting and production as there are still many mysteries clouding the film. There are, for example, certain scenes that appear to have been shot with body doubles - perhaps at a later time than the majority of the footage.

One obvious example of this is the scene where we see Irene Papas in bed with a client as Lucifer appears and scares the man away. Notice how we never actually see Irene's face in this scene. I'm fairly certain that it isn't actually her in that scene at all. Irene Papas is after all a rather serious actress and appears to not have been very fond of nude scenes. In the Spaghetti Nightmares book, Umberto Lenzi complains about how she refused to shoot a threesome scene for AN IDEAL PLACE TO KILL (1971) and her brief nudity in the film was indeed performed by a body double. Interestingly, Irene's body double in that film was Antonia Santilli (from Di Leo's THE BOSS) and she was also Ornella Muti's body double in the same film because Muti was underage (she was only 16 at the time). I guess the rules about underage nudity had changed only a few year later, though - considering Lara Wendel's nude scenes in RING!  ;D

Another, even stranger, scene is when Ian Bannen tries to kiss Anne Heywood down in some basement, and Lucifer breaks through the wall and chases him away. Strange because if you take a good look, you'll see that there are obvious body-doubles used for portions of the scene...


At first we see Anne and Ian as they're about to kiss:




But for the shots where we see the wall break down, there are obvious doubles! This is NOT Ian Bannen and I don't think the woman is Anne Heywood either:









Then it's back to the real Anne Heywood as we see her crying while Ian runs away:







Then Lucifer rips her clothes off and starts kissing her. I still say that this isn't Heywood:










So what was the point of this? Was the original wall effect unsatisfying so that it was re-shot at a later time when the original actors were unavailable? Or was the entire scene altered in post-production? Just one of many enigmas surrounding the RING OF DARKNESS...

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #27 on: 29 Nov 2007 - 23:45 »

In the Spaghetti Nightmares book, Umberto Lenzi complains about how she refused to shoot a threesome scene for AN IDEAL PLACE TO KILL (1971) and her brief nudity in the film was indeed performed by a body double.

Thanks for the informative posts Johan! Papas certainly isn't proud for her Italian exploitation outings. A friend met her at a theater a few months ago and went right up to her and said "I know your filmography is huge but I will always remember you for UM POSTO IDEALE PER UCCIDERE" and she got obviously mad at him and replied "So what?"- that is funny but also kind of disappointing as well, I believe anybody should be proud of having worked with somebody like Umberto Lenzi  ::)
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« Reply #28 on: 29 Nov 2007 - 23:56 »

Haha! Cool story but I have to say I'm rather disappointed to hear it too. I've always respected Irene Papas and considered her to be a very talented actress and a good professional. I guess she only did some of her films for money reasons only, though, but it's still disappointing to hear that she acted so dismissive when a fan approached her like that. I certainly don't think her performance in AN IDEAL PLACE TO KILL is anything to be ashamed of. Oh well... God only knows what she thinks about RING OF DARKNESS, which is a lot trashier. Maybe it was a good thing that your friend didn't bring up that film - she might have gotten really angry! Lol!  :-\

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« Reply #29 on: 30 Nov 2007 - 00:09 »

Perhaps she would have slapped him LOL I am sure she considers RING a porn film- that is if she still remembers it! I am not sure if it was the money. I don't believe she was ever a starving actress. My guess is that any Greek actor would be happy to take part in any foreign production at the time. Just because they believed it could possibly be their breakthrough and perhaps open doors to an international career. Too bad that never happened with trashy films like this one  :-\
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