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Author Topic: Ring of Darkness / Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)  (Read 56699 times)

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #30 on: 30 Nov 2007 - 00:20 »

The strange thing is that Papas was already a quite well-known international actress by the time she did RING; having appeared in high-profile English language productions like THE GUNS OF NAVARONE and ANNE OF A 1000 DAYS. Same with Valentina Cortese and Frank Finlay. They were both important and well-known actors who had been Oscar-nominated. I've always wondered how Pier Carpi was able to assemble such an impressive cast. I think he was a relatively well-known writer in Italy, though, so that may have been what attracted the actors.

Another film Papas probably wants to burn the negatives for is BLOODLINE, a bad thriller based on a trashy Sidney Sheldon novel and featuring Mike Monty as a bald, naked kaller who strangles young girls in snuff movies filmed by Dan Van Husen. Stupid, trashy Hollywood flop full of big, international actors who are probably all pissed that it just came out on dvd  ;D

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #31 on: 30 Nov 2007 - 00:24 »

Another film Papas probably wants to burn the negatives for is BLOODLINE, a bad thriller based on a trashy Sidney Sheldon novel and featuring Mike Monty as a bald, naked kaller who strangles young girls in snuff movies filmed by Dan Van Husen. Stupid, trashy Hollywood flop full of big, international actors who are probably all pissed that it just came out on dvd  ;D

Hehe, that sounds very interesting! I must admit I knew nothing about it before reading your post. Papas and Monty (Filipino action cinema regular) in the same film? I will definitely hunt this down!
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #32 on: 30 Nov 2007 - 00:29 »

It has gorgeous cinematography, great Morricone score etc but a mediocre thriller with hardly any thrills at all. I can't really recommend it but it works as a kind of guilty pleasure - it's the only R-rated Audrey Hepburn film and all her serious fans seem to be very upset that she appeared in a film with a snuff movie subplot. Seeing recognizable Euro actor such as Mike Monty and others playing small roles in a big studio film was the best part for me.

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #33 on: 03 Dec 2007 - 16:07 »

Look what I just found...

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #34 on: 03 Dec 2007 - 16:10 »

Good find Mr Morris!

You can't go wrong with a bit a Cipriani!
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #35 on: 08 Jun 2008 - 13:07 »

The opening of the film doesn't really seem all that orgiastic or satanic, more like a floorshow (kind of like those choreographed voodoo rituals you would see in British films from the sixties or in the opening of SUGAR HILL where it really did turn out to be a nightclub show).

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I'd say Lara did pretty well and had a successful acting career - handling the shift from child actress to adult roles better than several other child actors.

She was the only good actor in KILLING BIRDS - though Leslie Cummings is always nice to look at - and that includes Robert Vaughn phoning in his performance.

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #36 on: 08 Jun 2008 - 21:40 »

On the whole, the film might have been more successful in its current form had it been made in the sixties but Carpi's approach is just too chaste for a seventies film with an aggressively Stelvio Cipriani score (especially when his score sounds like variations on his themes for SOLAMENTE NERO and ORGASMO NERO and was recycled in PIECES).

I wonder how much was shot but not used and how much was dumbed down at the scripting stage.  It would've been nice to have some explanation of the steps and goals of the various rituals including the climactic one which is pretty nonsensical here and Bannen's, Finlay's, and Law's characters show up and then disappear when they're not required while the women also drift in and out of the story.

Re: that sequence with Carmen Russo that is not in the Italian version.  I wonder if Carpi cut it out and the producer's inserted it back into the export version.  I don't know if it occurs at a reel change but its sort of spliced into the Belgium tape.

Also, some explanation as to why the women pledged themselves to Satan in the first place would have been nice.  They don't seem to have gained much in return for what they've lost.  There's no demonstrations of them using their powers to get things or make people do things.

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #37 on: 10 Jun 2008 - 16:56 »

I still haven't given up on finding the 106 minute version. God only knows what could be in those missing 19 minutes. Presumably, Sofia Dionisio's performance is there as she is nowhere to be found in the shorter cuts.

Indeed, the handling of Bannen and Finlay's characters, and the lack of any good explanation for why the women give themselves to Satan, are among the film's chief flaws. I believe Carpi's original novel could have been fascinating to read and do a comparison to the film but I don't think it's ever been published in English.

As for the lack of any magic powers on display, I think this is due to a low budget that didn't allow for any special effects. The only notable effect is when Lara Wendel uses her hand to burn that geeky boy's chest and that's done mostly with make-up. Then there's rather idiotic scene where Marisa Mell (who seems to be the most faithful and powerful of the withces) tries to intimidate Wendel by vanishing into thin air and then appear in a different place in the room. But I hardly think this deserves to be called a special effect - it's simply an old-school cinematic trick that can be achieved by anyone with a camera and a tripod to keep it steady.

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #38 on: 10 Jun 2008 - 17:31 »

Presumably, Sofia Dionisio's performance is there as she is nowhere to be found in the shorter cuts.
From what i could make out from a small piece on it in an early Nocturno she's in the background during the black mass/ritual scenes along with Dirce Funari,Anny Papa and Marina Daunia.
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #39 on: 10 Jun 2008 - 17:47 »

Hmm... I at least wasn't able to spot her. I also believe that Funari and Papa (as well as Ofelia Meyer and Anka Auling) actually play the younger versions of Heywood, Cortese, Papas and Mell that are glimpsed very briefly when each of the women are introduced. I'm guessing a longer flashback scene was probably shot.

Interestingly, many familiar actors who play larger roles then Funari and the others go uncredited; including fairly well-known actors like Enzo Fiermonte and Victoria Zinny.

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #40 on: 10 Jun 2008 - 18:00 »

Hmm... I at least wasn't able to spot her. I also believe that Funari and Papa (as well as Ofelia Meyer and Anka Auling) actually play the younger versions of Heywood, Cortese, Papas and Mell that are glimpsed very briefly when each of the women are introduced. I'm guessing a longer flashback scene was probably shot.
Looking at that piece again i think you're right Johan about them playing the younger versions of Heywood etc as it does mention 'protagoniste giovani (Dirce Funari,Anny Papa,Marina Daunia e Sofia Dionisio)',really need to get myself an Italian to English dictionary soon ???
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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #41 on: 10 Jun 2008 - 18:57 »

Aha! Is that an old issue of Nocturno btw? It looks like they might have gotten Marina D'Aunia's role mixed up as I'm fairly certain she actually plays one of the prostitutes in the park who is making a comment about Irene Papas.

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #42 on: 10 Jun 2008 - 19:07 »

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The only notable effect is when Lara Wendel uses her hand to burn that geeky boy's chest and that's done mostly with make-up.

But Wendel is the daughter of Satan.  We don't see really see anything like that from the older women.

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Re: Ring of Darkness/Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #43 on: 10 Jun 2008 - 19:28 »

Aha! Is that an old issue of Nocturno btw?
#3 of the fanzine from 1995,it's a big article on Italian horror films with a witch theme(Baba Yaga,Sex of the Witch etc).
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Re: Ring of Darkness / Un ombra nell'ombra (Pier Carpi, 1979)
« Reply #44 on: 07 Oct 2008 - 11:27 »

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Here's Turkish (!) poster of this now on eBay!

By the way, I really need an upgrade for this. Anybody has the Belgian VHS? Or at least a copy?
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